| IVOD_ID |
161565 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161565 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-19T12:35:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-19T12:49:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ecb6f54fb5d604f060add71bd4fda2ce239b9191e0d12eeab0c3298652644d7d2b49bd0206f014fb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:35:31 - 12:49:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部調查局局長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、內政部警政署署長、中央選舉委員會、數位發展部、個人資料保護委員會籌備處及中華電信股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「民眾反應收到罷免連署簡訊，顯非商業廣告目的利用，質疑個資洩漏而侵害人民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月19日及21日兩天一次會】） |
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主委好,麻煩請NCC麻煩NCC代理主委 |
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大家好 昨天好我想還是想要先問一下那個簡訊的問題因為很多人收到這個簡訊之後都發現說他並沒有提供資料給那個霸團 |
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那這應該是侵犯個資沒錯吧先跟你確定一下這要個案來調查個案調查那比如說我現在就秀兩個個案給你看有一個他是說他收到一個什麼下一代歲月靜好是因為你的負重前行這就是霸團傳給他的行銷簡訊但他認為他根本沒有簽署任何的文件霸團怎麼取得他的電話那這個個案是有侵犯個資嗎 |
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這個要由相關對應的主管機關來調查說明你沒辦法喔我NCC範圍內沒辦法跨越權限來做但是因為剛剛根據很多委員跟相關機關的詢答這應該是有啦因為電話我們看下一頁電話應該是屬於各自的一部分喔在下一頁 |
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那我現在要請教一下因為三大電信公司是不是都已經說他們不會已經沒有提供LBS了沒錯吧LBS是有但是要任務同意他才會提供要同意才提供對但是以我剛剛那個個案來講的話他是應該是沒有同意嗎 |
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對不對因為他本人並不知道這兩個層次MBS要用戶同意另外一個是說發送簡訊的源頭端他就精準掌握這些資訊那都跟電信公司無關那就是要問那個源頭端 |
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好 我再請教一下因為我們的簡訊的風險管理措施這邊就有提到說這個是去年10月公佈的對不對不去年10月公佈好 那這個公佈之後對於LBS的管制有更嚴格吧 |
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LBS那是在各自一般法徵本來就是電信公司必須要依據各自法的規定你要使用目的外的利用必須要用戶同意或依法他目前是用使用者來同意來提供所以如果當事人明確拒絕接受行銷的話是可以拒絕對不對對沒錯那他已經收到了要怎麼拒絕 |
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他如果已經說就是說今天今天是這樣子啊就是說因為這新聞爆出來嘛好所以很多人就想說啊我很討厭這種行為嘛我不想要收到類似這種罷免的簡訊那他想要拒絕那現在的拒絕機制是什麼這個up out的廣告其實三大電信的官網都有其實可以打所以要打到電信公司主動去告知上網上網都可以去登錄辦理 |
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就要他們主動去拒絕去上網登記拒絕那這個部分NCT有幫忙宣導嗎還是說要三大電信公司宣導說因為現在有很多人收到這種簡訊不甘其擾如果你不想要介紹的話你可以上網去登錄你沒有宣導嗎我們也會繼續再加強宣導 |
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好那第二個就是那電信公司跟一般的這種用戶有沒有簽定型化契約就是說他以後拒絕的時候他可以直接在契約擺明如果電信公司違法的話要負什麼樣的責任有嗎就你的了解是要負什麼責任他已經拒絕像類似這種他通通都不要然後也有簽合約可是他還是收到 |
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個資的部分如果他電信公司沒有照的話他就沒有照的錯誤他就違反個資法20條那個非公司機關的一些不正當的利用不正當的利用那違反個資法嘛會那個當然那個檢方會去調查嘛那我現在講的是說那他跟電信公司之間的民事責任是什麼 |
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民事責任看他們的契約其實沒有有審視過那個契約嗎因為現在大家都偏向在那個形式部分但是因為NCC主要是要管那個電信公司那可能電信公司也要負一定的企業責任就是說那如果還是譬如說剛剛講說這個責任可能在行銷公司但是電信公司也做行銷公司的其中一個工具嘛 |
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那也連帶的影響到這個消費者嘛所以應該是也有連帶責任那這一塊的責任是什麼這一塊的責任其實是以電信管理法第四條電信行為的發生效果如發送人來負責以今天這種概念我是說簽了約那他也明確拒絕了他也明確拒絕然後但是他也是收到 |
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那這怎麼這個NCC是怎麼去如果他有明確拒絕他又收到那就是中華電機這方面履歷上會有一些責任那你們有請那個電競公司加強這一塊嗎我們持續都有要求他們要因為這個事件我想要問就是說這個事件發生之後NCC到底做了什麼 |
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我們做兩次行政調查除了調查之外有沒有去防避這件事情嗎第一個我剛剛問說你們有沒有這樣宣導嗎說大家如果不想收到的話比如說你剛剛講說可以上網登錄但大家知不知道可以上網登錄嗎第二件事情就是他明明可以明確拒絕那在合約上怎麼保障他拒絕權利如果電信公司違反這規定的時候他應該負責什麼樣的賠償 |
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因為我如果問說什麼刑事責任大家又會推說什麼個案啊調查這些的就沒有沒有我現在講的是主管機關可以作為的部分嘛有我們去在修訂三大變性業者的各自宣告事項裡頭也有發佈相關的一些FB跟新聞稿就告訴他們說就是這個事件之後 |
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我們是在事件之前就通案性那還是發生的嘛所以你們有沒有再進一步的作為有沒有我們在這兩天會再進行再進一步的宣導說這個up out的機制好 謝謝那接下來想問一下那個中選會中選會 |
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這個是有人傳給我的啦就是一個聯署書然後他是反映說有人找他去簽名但是那個罷免聯署書上面把他的名字還有出生年月日身份證字號跟戶籍地都已經打好了然後去找他簽名請問一下這個有沒有違反個資 中委會 |
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這個是要看他如何取得那些資料那是另外一個問題沒有那個當事人說他不知道他並沒有找他簽名的人他根本不認識啊那這樣有沒有侵犯個資如果說是個資的資料的來源如果是非法蒐集的話那什麼樣叫非法蒐集 |
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| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那當然就是有可能是如果說以連署的而言就是不是他並沒有提供給找他連署的人這個資料嘛那人家居然有他的資料然後找上門來找他簽名有可能那中學會有沒有去查這個狀況我沒有見到個案的相關所以如果說有個案跟中研會檢舉的話中研會會去查是不是那如果最後發現說這個是有違反格子會踢掉嗎 |
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如果是偽造不過重點不是說這些資料而是說你當事人你是不是是否簽名蓋章是否簽名蓋章所以這個跟中選會提不提要無關應該是這樣講因為中選會只認定的是說他是不是本人簽名但是有沒有侵犯克制這個就是要問問那個法務部其他的資料我問一下部長好不好請教一下部長 |
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部長如果是這樣的話有違反個資嗎有沒有違反個資是個案的做一個對我現在就問那另外就委員關心的這個個資的收集處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
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那個處理那個利用齁那個我們看這個收集就要各自的第15條第16條以及第19條第20條這個收集處理利用要合乎這四個法條以及第6條敏感性的個人資料的一些法定法我的問題很明確啦就是說如果有一個人在家裡面然後有的人拿幫他把連鎖的所有資料都打好來找他簽名 |
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那他覺得我們並沒有提供資料給你過啊你怎麼會我資料叫我簽名這樣有沒有違反個資這個是19條的一個問題那如果說來加愛護去弄我認為這個有沒有違反個資這可以另外再不是來加愛護他資料都打好連那個身份證字號跟出生年月日都有如果說這個個資的一個個資的一個所有人個人資料的所有人他認為這樣有違反 |
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547.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
第19條的一個規定的話他可以法條規定跟他認不認為無關啊我現在是問部長你覺得這樣子有沒有違反你只要講有沒有違反就好這個個字是怎麼來的他就覺得他就在懷疑啊這是怎麼來的他如果懷疑的話當然可以提出告訴嘛他認為有犯罪嫌疑他可以提出告訴那我們就會辦案就會啟動申辦所以這樣子應該是有吧 |
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那這個要個案的我沒辦法跟你講這就是有或沒有這樣子還沒有我沒有講沒有我說這樣子這樣沒辦法認定嗎這個不能用這個整個辦案不能說直接就這樣認定但是這個如果說那個被害那個個資的所有人他認為這樣有這樣的得中因為我的個資可能有受到侵害囉那這樣的話當然他就可以來告那部長那我順便問一下我想問一下凱爾案因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
後來你最新的說法是有十幾萬的人在公共平台不是最新的說法就是說沒有沒有我還沒問啦部長我還沒問我的問題是我們沒辦法去接受這個部長我都還沒問我都還沒問問題這個我們這是人神共憤啦我都還沒問問題部長這個我想這個大家我們要以最大的一個力量去讓這些法制做一個完美來充分來保護這些兒童早上您的這個我因為有看新聞報導的啦 |
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614.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們就新聞稿然後那個不是說我早上改成好沒關係你後來的說法是說你不要那麼緊張我都還沒有問問題部長不要那麼緊張我都還沒有問問你知道我要問什麼嗎 |
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我都還沒有問我的問題啊我只是提到說我想要關心這個案子你就啪啪講一大堆我都還沒講我要問什麼我是想問說因為第一時間那個時候有十幾萬人在公共平台上面表示說希望虐童致死能夠納入唯一死刑然後或者是無期徒刑不得假釋嘛那當時法務部是說不可能嘛 |
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670.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
但後來又改說要研議中那我是想問說法務部後來為什麼會有這樣的一個改變中間是考量到什麼所以一開始是覺得不可能後來又覺得可以研議那你們考量的點是什麼這個本來就是對向來對我們對兒童少年的這些權力的保護我們是不予以利用那為什麼一開始說不行那這個沒有說這個是一個公共裡面的一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
選項的一個問題喔這個我們看裡面的內文的話我們是沒有這樣的一個講的喔所以你從頭到尾都沒有說不行我們可以講說這個在研議喔我們可以說一開始是說不行嘛後來說研議中嘛那你的轉折的點在哪裡這個本來就是我們就是一項一項就是我們向來就是要充分落實保障的這些的權利那為什麼一開始就不行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我們沒有說這個是一個選項的一個問題但是我們這個之前是我們沒有矛盾的沒有矛盾所以從頭到尾都是說演繹中我們是把著重在我們著重在做現狀的法律的一個說明 |
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738.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
所以之後是有可能 就是終身監禁不得假食 這有可能的你們在研議中嘛 對不對 有可能的嘛你們朝這個方向是不是這個我想 委員齁 這個我們剛才我有說明過齁 這個 |
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741.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我們現在講的是286條啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
762.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
789.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
286條不是講傷人罪因為這個這個寧願的不是286條這個還有先等到271條286條還有那個302之1條那個好幾個法條對所以我們要重新再做一個檢視把這個對落實對未滿7歲的甚至不要說未滿7歲未滿18歲的這些的保護我們要更加的一個徹底那我們現在在研理看如何把這個法制做一個完備 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
790.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
816.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那大概什麼時候你們會演繹出來另外那個關心假釋的問題本來我們假釋有殺人殺人未遂10年以上違反社會治安的這些犯罪我們本來就已經提出不得假釋現在行政院那你剛剛前面一個大概什麼時候演繹出來我們近期內會我們盡速來做一個演繹我想我們會加快這個速度這個經委很放心好 謝謝 |