| IVOD_ID |
161557 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161557 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-19T11:39:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-19T11:47:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ecb6f54fb5d604f04fdd5502484b87e328de2cce2b28366a0be1aa9793fcacdd729861a5771213c05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:16 - 11:47:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等30案。
二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關公平交易委員會主管預算凍結案等8案。） |
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謝謝 下面質詢請蔡議員好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個農業部部長 請農業部陳部長 |
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部長好部長今天的解凍案中其中有一案是關於嘉義的茶改廠的興建那我想要請教一下說未來我們解凍案之後以及柴桿產的興建的進度那是不是可以說明一下 |
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謝謝委員我們當初的茶開場本身我們是用雙種廠制就是在原來的種廠跟嘉義這邊那你也知道在過程中有一些曲折就是包括選地的時候可能土壤的地質不適合種茶所以我們做了一些調整那現在我們把相關的計畫已經報院了那院裡面他覺得現在的 |
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要蓋一個總廠它的經費的問題啦所以我準備今天下午今天會議完了以後我會再召開一個專案會議去確認說今天下午我會召開專案會議去確定我們所有的要下一步要怎麼走的這些包括預算包括相關的這些規劃然後再去提出更好的說明跟讓行政院同意那相關的會議如果討論完了以後我第一時間會讓這個訊息給跟委員報告 |
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我想部長因為就雙種廠所以事實上他們走的方向也不一樣我們嘉義這邊除了茶之外甚至我們把咖啡的部分飲料的部分飲料咖啡也變成未來嘉義的廠 |
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主要的一個研究的範圍所以方向不同但是我們也知道說阿里山的茶阿里山的咖啡這幾年事實上整個它的品牌都打出來所以我們需要更強而有力政府的背書讓它的這個品牌價值可以更高這個我想部長這個從這樣來 |
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我想非常認同 特別是阿里山的茶葉 其實越來越讓國外人知道了他的一些茶的品質也好 他的風味也好然後再加上他茶跟其他的飲料做調和 包括咖啡有沒有這些部分都值得在嘉義變成一個雙種場的概念所以我們是朝這個目標 只是說因為經費的關係 我們看可不可以調整一些現在的規模 然後來符合我們行政院的要求這個部分我想我們會來努力 |
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好我想就積極溝通喔如果現在就是說跟行政院最後的意見交換那我想我們就趕快來處理然後看行政院這邊的意見怎樣然後大家趕快來做一個最後的一個核定好不好好我們會來努力第二個問題就是說我們嘉義阿里山 |
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最近這幾年我們本來就是特產叫高足叫歌順這個叫高足他現在又因為染病他這個病叫作醜業病 |
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這因為染了這個細菌,然後整個阿里山的山區,這個竹筍就大量的死亡而且這個死亡,就是說它這個破片後,在地上剩沒哪裡沒哪裡,等於說它就發不出來,所以未來可以想像的就是這裡的竹林 |
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全軍覆沒了,而且一旦染病之後又不可逆他連土壤都被感染了,所以未來這頓也發出來,也是定義賣大漢、賣大漢賣定義都溫馨啦,不會讓他硬起來所以看起來,這個教高組的狀況,這個可以說 |
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是屬於這裡產業的一個天災那我想要請教部長那你們現在要怎麼有什麼方向來來做這個後續的處理我跟委員報告那個教高族本身的染病那基本上我們判斷是可能跟逐年的老化沒有及時的更新有關那雖然說我們已經有做一些用藥的指導可是相對的就像委員剛才說的他可能會整片的部分 |
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所以其實最有效的話是整片去做竹林的更新或者是你竹林砍伐以後去照領我們有新的獎勵照領6年6年就可以領到應該60萬吧55到60萬或者是竹林更新我們也會有獎勵從明年開始 |
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部長我就要說這個事實上這個孫子他可能高生都沒有了全都出一生事實上你要做竹林的更新竹林的更新他可能這個並沒有徹底更新 |
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跟絕錢他可能會再發所以你看起來竹林更新這件事情是一個問號所以現在地方又有在講說我們不然就走向造林那造林出來阿爹夫婉意配合官吏未來這個整個林場會很漂亮喔 |
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而且造林也可以創造了我們現在大家在講淨林碳排然後要有所謂的森林碳會那就是森林碳會最好的地方但是問題來了如果我們以六年我們說55萬到60萬這樣的金額事實上對地方現在的竹農吸引力不夠 |
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這個變成吸引力不夠 你要思考喔一般來這個是一個經濟作物喔他們是有很好的收入的喔結果你現在要把他轉向說好你們走向造林以後你們就去管理這個林場結果他自己的生計會產生問題 |
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所以我覺得部長要去思考一下我們既然要讓他們來走向造林走向不一樣的一個森林的管理但是這樣的一個補助沒有誘因的話要怎麼讓這些竹農維持生計呢我想第一個就是說我們現在的造林獎勵六年從原來的二十年六十萬到變成六年六十萬那個時間縮短了第二個部分就是他六年完成以後還會有持續的撫育的經費 |
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還有一個非常重要的就是它有它的碳匯的價值然後這個部分我想我們會來協助我們轉噪鈴的部分透過ESG也好或其他的方式也好去取得這些碳匯的這些金額那這樣的話無形中也會增加它的一些收入 |
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就是這個碳會 但是這個碳會價值還要經環境部的一個一個方法學的一個方法學嘛對 但是這個碳會部分就是這樣啦它都必須要屬於企業合作社才會取得但是我剛剛在講的是個人啦 |
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事實上讓他們 讓這些主農來管理這個碳匯到底會回到個人那個人怎麼去使用這個碳匯這個還是有這個運作上的困難我想我們林保署會去做媒合特別是個體戶的部分怎麼樣去連了許多的個體戶變成一個比較大的量能的時候再去跟企業做對接這個部分我想林保署一直在做這樣的協助 |
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好 沒關係 我覺得這兩個問題都很要緊的啦從擦開場 從我們這個較高族的這樣的一個森林的場域未來要走向造林也是要兼顧這裡竹農他們未來的生計我想這個農業部可能在前提我們會放在心裡好 那再麻煩 謝謝 |