| IVOD_ID |
161544 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161544 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-19T10:45:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-19T10:54:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ecb6f54fb5d604f0a979e8c3dee4e02198327315c1c97455cb2fe453f4508dd4f2ef179986d190cb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:31 - 10:54:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：處理院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等48案。（詳如附件）） |
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謝謝主席,麻煩有請部長部長,上一次見面的時候,我問你何仁傑的事情然後我說,他是不是該辦特殊採訪而沒有辦我說是然後你說政風事會回去處理,一個禮拜會有結果 |
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結果下一次在外交國防委員會的時候那個時候你應該有邀功沒有來結果真相大白你們外交部翻供所以惠仁節本來就不用辦特殊查核部長規定是基本要辦一般查核但他所接觸的業務應該辦特殊查核但沒有辦嗎 |
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這個是過去嘛 過去的人依照這個標準 如果以我的標準 我會辦不是啦 我們一樣一樣來啦不要在那邊挪來挪去的啦第一個 規範上他不應該辦特殊查核他只是 就是基本上要辦一般查核對不起 規範上他要不要辦特殊查核 奇怪我的問題有這麼難理解嗎我在問你特殊查核 你一直在跟我扯一般查核 |
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我的問題有這麼難理解嗎對不起我再說一次規範上他要不要做特殊查核規範上如果按照既有的規定是不必那你為什麼上次說要我認為他接觸的業務是要所以現在怎麼辦那就是由政風去辦理按照規定來辦理 |
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按照什麼規定來辦 你現在規範上就不用辦特殊查核啊如果以他接觸的事物啊 我認為是要對嘛 現在規範上就不用辦特殊查核啊我有說錯嗎這不是你們上次外交部的同仁的回答嗎 |
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我是部長我如果去任命這樣的一個人我是認為他所接觸的業務是需要特殊查核但是依照當時的規定到現在還是這個規定是沒有需要特殊查核到現在還是這個規定我們現在就是必須要改革改好了沒有現在行政院整體都在針對這樣還需要多久以及要任命的沒有關係啦還需要多久 |
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改好了沒有 還需要多久這行政院會有整體的行政院整體的規劃我們大家都很了解啦一個基本的事實研議了六年 七年 八年例子不生沒舉啦現在出了一個這麼大的洞那你現在說 |
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追下大白了嘛規範上不需要辦特殊查核但身為部長你不贊成嘛你認為應該要辦特殊查核嗎事後來看啦行政院現在正在進行作業當中還要作業多久不知道行政院在辦理中所以行政院要進行多久你也不知道沒關係嘛繼續拖嘛這不是很重要的事嗎應該辦特殊查核的事情沒有辦特殊查核現在變共諜啦 |
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行政院說要檢討這件事情發生到現在多久啦檢討到今天還在檢討部長你對於行政院的效率滿意嗎 |
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我當然尊重行政院他綜合因為他那麼多的部會他在辦理但對外交部我們的政風調查報告已經完成我認為如果實質的判定他接觸的業務是需要查核啦但是當時在最早任命的時候因為還不知道他會接觸什麼業務嘛所以那個時候跟在吳釗燮還旁邊還不知道他會接觸什麼業務在外交部部長辦公室裡面收機密文件還不知道他會接觸什麼業務 |
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所以是規範有問題還是吳釗燮有問題 |
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我想規範就是說是死的嘛可是這個人的任命因為他是用所謂一等之役那這樣的聘用是可以不用辦特殊查只要辦一般查規範上面這種人不用辦特殊查的現在結果來看嫌有不足是嘛所以我個人認為如果接駐業務的職職你到現在都還在研議嘛你沒有說錯嗎我們政風已經調查完畢而且對於改進的應該要去做一些改進啦 |
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沒有關係啦 我們拭目以待嘛這麼重要的事情我們拭目以待嘛看卓榮泰要拖多久嘛來 第二題我去年有問你卡貝的事情喔蠻有趣的啦你們外交部的業務報告從過去比較常用的詞叫做價值外交到這一次 卓榮泰新的施政報告出現一個新的名詞叫總和外交 |
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從價值外交啊 到總和外交啊總和外交有包括金錢外交嗎沒有沒有嘛 好那我的問題還是一樣我們會不會幫其他國家繳卡貝的股款 |
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我們希望說我們已經在一些國際組織包括這些金融系統的角色上善用花錢繳我們自己的股款我作為民意代表我OK啊我支持啊花台灣納稅的錢繳台灣的股款我OK我現在的問題一模一樣花台灣納稅的錢去幫外國繳股款外交部同不同意 |
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我想我們一定是按照規定來辦理那我們必須要去善用包括咖啡 包括亞銀 包括歐銀同意 沒錯我是認為要去好好的發揮我們在這裡面的角色所以我們要確保我們的影響力 |
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所以要確保影響力的方式是幫其他外國繳股款嗎是嗎一定基於我們國家的利益在做整體的考慮跟佈局所以你還是沒有答案嗎我想有機會我會跟委員詳細說明在總和外交上這一些政策工序是很重要的總和外交不包括金錢外交但是包括幫其他國家繳股款是這樣嗎 |
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總和外交不包括金錢外交但是包括幫其他國家繳股款是這樣嗎對 就是去發揮我們的影響力確保後果是有利於國家利益我明確的跟部長講啦這件事情上面我們有價值立場的不同我表達我的立場你只要清楚表達外交部的立場就好了 |
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我們的價值立場不同我支持民主 我支持價值外交但是 拿台灣人的錢去繳 幫其他國家繳股款對不起啊 我不懂 這個是什麼外交我跟委員說明嘛 比如說我們的總和外交 經濟外交我們過去是援助 現在加強投資那怎麼樣善用我們在國際市場銀行你要去外國投資是一回事啊去外國投資 那東西還是我們的啦 |
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你要拿台灣人的錢去做婦女的父權去照顧當地貧窮的小孩讓他們受教育從普世價值來講我都贊成但是你拿台灣人的錢去幫其他國家繳股款這是哪門子的外交啊這不是金錢外交什麼是金錢外交 |
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這不是啦 這個我們在裡面有骨折 我們可以善用來融融計畫你說這絕對不是金錢外交嘛但我就認為這就是金錢外交我做部長任內 我不會用金錢外交因為我長期 你對我也了解啦你不會做金錢外交 但是你會拿台灣獎罪人的錢去幫人家繳股款 |
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任何的方式只要有助於我們國家的利益包括拿台灣的錢去幫人家繳股款不是 那個都是手段那個目的是為了要來捍衛我們外交上面那這個籠幫計畫跟以前只是在繳繳不繳是兩回事啦謝謝委員的指導我們會善用每一筆預算包括去幫國家其他 |
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繳股款不管用什麼方法合法的然後我們用大大聲聲這樣講跟國際的合作作為立法委員我們需要讓人民知道錢到哪裡去了嘛我有說錯嗎所以我才具體的問你嘛是不是要拿去幫其他國家繳股款是就是嘛你確定了這個事實以後確定了這個事實要怎麼評價每一個人心裡都有一把尺啊是我同意委員講的目的啦一定要達到不然的話這會被人家批評 |
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謝謝 |