| IVOD_ID |
161542 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161542 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-19T10:35:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-19T10:45:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ecb6f54fb5d604f051539c2b67ccca7798327315c1c97455cb2fe453f4508dd4e3f5687b5b8c8e805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:20 - 10:45:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：處理院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，外交部主管預算凍結案等48案。（詳如附件）） |
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謝謝主席 一集各位先進有請外交部的林部長林部長 你好你好 |
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這個讓你turn the gear剛才大家一直問你林昌佐等一下我再問好了我先問你一下另外的題目這個關於這個教宗前教宗方濟克的商禮以及現在新的教宗梁世世舊址請問你啊 |
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教廷跟中華民國有沒有邦交有有邦交那當然要爭取總統或者副總統參與啊為什麼都爭取不到不對怎麼這麼難 |
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是要這麼狠嗎 你有正式邦交國對不對他的舊的教宗的一個彌撒或者什麼的然後新的教宗的上任跟我們又有邦交國為什麼我們沒辦法徵集到我們的總統副總統去 為什麼 |
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我們當然是希望有這樣子的機會那這一次經過雙邊的這個溝通那認為由陳前副總統 當然總統特使是比較好的安排怎麼比較好 戴琴得琴最好啦誰會知道啊 如果不像蕭美琴就可以啊有真是邦交國 哪裡有這個浪浪陳建能去的那還不如你去就好了 |
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陳前副總統有他在國際上的地位不是啦而且他跟教廷的關係是長久的是啦 你這樣說我們就不要邦加國了啊那個叫實質外交的關係啊是不是部長這一部分老實講外交部做得很爛啦大扣分啦不然聽一聽你們爭取怎麼樣請問是來自中國大陸大家嗎 |
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當然有啊 中國是什麼都會打壓的啊 不管是任何事情一推奧白虎啊 中華民國的外交部長很會做的我們只要呼吸 中共也會打壓所以中華民國外交部長很好做啊只要不順利就說啊 叫他打壓在國際上真的是我們外交的困境你也了解 我們也在不斷地突破中國大陸對台灣的打壓幾十年來都如此 |
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他不是今天在打壓也不會說林鄭月娥當部長在打壓always打壓他跟我們有邦交國我要強調是這個他跟我有邦交國拍不出我們的總統也拍不出我們的副總統那是有夠假的我這部長有夠假的真正的照片好看是不是有夠假的真的我講這個話你接受嗎 |
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我認為 我不接受啊你不接受 你說很棒其實外交是很複雜的委員也了解我們跟這個教廷的關係要能夠維繫然後我們也今天一共沒有正式邦交國這麼重要的慶典我們派不出我們的總統 副總統沒有辦法去你說你同學覺得怎麼樣我想新的教宗他應該也會有新的作為啦我們這個也是有所期待 |
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你是準備要斷交了是不是我們希望關係可以不斷的再提升請問你今年度不會斷交嗎這個一年前委員也問過我我剛上任的時候我們就說 |
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我們就是把12個邦交國都顧好這是基本的但是我們還是要除了顧邦還要容邦我們希望能夠在外交空間走出去純潔能區我沒有意見因為它又有天主教的背景但是我在意的是它是我們的邦交國它是我們的邦交國 |
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不能夠只有搞實質外交關係正式外交關係請問你有沒有跟他們提出來說要請總統或者副總統去有沒有提出來我們都有溝通有沒有提出來陳副總統他也轉達了總統的致賀函面交他們也有回覆我問你 你有沒有正式跟他說我們要找我們的 請我們的總統出席 |
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我們當然有列入我們的選項你有沒有跟他講啦我們透過駐教廷的大使他們說NO他們負責的國務院嘛就是還是原來的人嘛 |
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國務院院長他們覺得這樣的安排是比較就是說很好的安排那我們覺得對長久來看我們的跟這個教廷的關係一定要建立在這樣的互信然後不斷去提升那過去有一些限制我們希望能夠突破什麼限制 |
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因為大家應該也了解2018年這個涉及到的這個教廷跟中國的主教任命臨時協定那自從那個之後那個辦理當局台的一些這個政策啊我們看喔這個今年的WHA 也是說過CPTPP 大家說要去 也沒有 |
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到現在為止萊豬也吃了核食也吃不了什麼都說那個你們以前的次長李存啊還公開說勒辯論的時候說只要吃了萊豬就可以加入CPTPP啊這樣咕咕咕啊CPTPP也沒有 都在騙啦都在騙啦 外交部變成說謊部啊 |
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這個是真的很悲哀的事情好 最後一個題目回到今天大家很熱門的問請問你林昶佐到底是最早誰提出來的 |
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林昶佐要當這個大使是你提出來的是不是任何大使代表這個都是總統所任命的所以總統交給你你就發布我外交部長當然我會綜合考量也會建議那以我們各個我們現在總和外交的推動來視財視所來安排駐外的這個大使跟代表 |
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對啦 我是不知道啦 他是要去 現在是芬蘭欠歌手是不是欠歌手芬蘭不是只有重金屬音樂 芬蘭人權 安全 經貿 觀光都非常的發展我們不能夠小看了芬蘭對啊 不然我不知道林昶佐最主要就是怕我唱歌啊 |
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他是以前你們的同事餒 兩屆的外交國防委員會而且就是他代表台灣到這個包括丹麥的民主峰會還受拜登總統之邀去華埔也是適合啊 你也很適合啊我覺得委員齁 委員您也非常適合欸您具備的資歷真的是 這個擔任大使啊真的可以說駕輕就熟啊 |
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這樣後來就盡量讓大使都娶女兒就對了對 美國就是這樣國會議員去擔任大使的比比皆是這是未來的趨勢是不是未來的 不是現在就是如此不是說只有未來喔過去也是好 那就是先預祝穩定以後快要當大使啦 |
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他不是這樣啦,他不是這樣啦,現在進行室都要找我們的立委當大使,我是第一次聽到啦國會議員啦,美國的國會議員當大使的,算起來我想我幾百人去了好啦,我跟你說啦齁 |
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林昶佐他去擔任大使給外界的感覺就是是大陸人不認識還是沒有沒有 外交官外交官資深的像現在坐在這裡面的一堆外交官心裡他沒有XXX我都不相信委員您上次問的時候就好幾個現在去當大使了像那個住印尼的旁邊你最左邊那一個人那個他也很想當大使他時間到了也會去當他還沒有當 |
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這裏面都有資格,而且很多人其實都...你說奇怪,你說那邊的人要做大使,這裏面的人要做大使,整間都要做大使我跟你講,比如像希臘,愛爾蘭,還有這個以前都是比較屬於非職業外交官現在都由職業外交官去擔任大使,最近的 |
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林昭祖不是職業外交官吧林務局長啊去希臘啊還有我們的那個人社會主任區愛爾蘭我總結一句話就結束了你的意思就是說未來 |
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立委 中國立委的 出任外交官的機會很大外交國安委員會特別是很適合啦 外交國安委員會現在做不吞黨派都很適合第二個 未來越多越多不是外交官擔任大使 |
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這有一個比例的限制啦那有的是名額啦我們都是就是視財視所為主不是因為名額要可以賺多少我們還是職業外交官除了芬蘭比較堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅堅 |