| IVOD_ID |
161541 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161541 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-19T10:31:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-19T10:43:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ecb6f54fb5d604f033861c866751e084239b9191e0d12eeacb2fe453f4508dd4608b7010f5f8dc8a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:54 - 10:43:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部調查局局長、國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員、內政部警政署署長、中央選舉委員會、數位發展部、個人資料保護委員會籌備處及中華電信股份有限公司率所屬相關單位列席就「民眾反應收到罷免連署簡訊，顯非商業廣告目的利用，質疑個資洩漏而侵害人民權益」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月19日及21日兩天一次會】） |
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早安大家辛苦了今天我們專案報告的主題是民眾反映收到罷免聯署簡訊顯非商業廣告目的之運用質疑各自洩漏而侵害人民權益我尊重召委的排案權但是呢我更認為如果今天要列這個主題你至少要併另外一個主題 |
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譬如說也是社會各界更重視的主題也是影響的範圍更大的也就是我建議今天的專案報告應當題目是就民眾反映國民黨執政縣市濫用戶政系統個資進行偽造罷免連署嚴重侵害人民權益專案報告我認為專案報告應當是我現在說的這個題目 |
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因為司法調查證據已經非常明確國民黨不管是在基隆或者是在花蓮都發生了公務體系地方政府濫用政府的系統的資訊來進行惡霸或者是向人民查水表 |
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我進入我的PPT之前 我也要說我現在看到的臨時提案喔是徐欣穎委員這邊 翁曉琳委員這邊 招委也有連署也就是呢 為了守護人民的隱私權 確保選罷法制度選罷制度之正當性與民主機制之信任基礎要求NCC法務部中選會及個人資料保護委員會籌備處要立即來成立專案調查小組 |
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就罷免簡訊的名單來源傳送機制涉及各自處理流程等進行全面調查如果這個 |
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臨時提案要通過的話那應當針對剛剛審發會委員列出一托拉庫國民黨的委員在選舉的期間不管是縣市首長或是地方選立委或是議員的也都利用簡訊系統去敗票 去催票如果國民黨的委員要提這個臨時提案就公平嘛剛剛這一托拉庫的如果 |
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針對罷免的簡訊名單來源傳送機制就要被查的話那剛剛那些查不查部長你覺得呢這個有沒有成立那個只要有人告發那我們就會依法來處理那是不是說收到簡訊是不是成立犯罪像這個剛剛有提到就個資的問題那這個個人資料依據那個個資保護法第二條說 |
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用此他個人資料是指自然人自然人而且包括什麼醫療等連絡方式得以直接間接識別該個人資料如果說只是單純電話碼他沒辦法識別這王某某所有或張某所有這亂腔打擾式的發簡訊那是不是成為各自的一個一個一個我們是還是有在在眼裡的沒有錯嘛他不是指名道姓傳給吳思瑤你怎樣你怎樣他可能就是 |
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像剛剛收集到很多名單就傳出去直接說王某某你好所以這可能就比較接近我們各自的問題我進入我的主題憲法保障人民的基本權利憲法22條規範 |
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而大法官釋字第603號又再一次確認了個資以及隱私權就是憲法22條所保障的當然我們也因應111年憲判第13號對於個人資料保護的獨立監督機制國家的政策需要更強大的配套下一頁 |
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所以說呢執政團隊負責任執政團隊撥破網因應大法官給出來的三年期限我們要修法所以個人資料保護法經濟委員會這週四就要逐條審查我們在法制面要健全它要補強它 |
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而大法官要求的個人資料保護委員會要有一個專責的監督單位所以我們會用一個組織法的方式未來鍾瑞雄委員在司委會應當也會排案所以一個立法委員要做的是這麼在乎個人資料保護 |
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那麼趕快從法治健全的修法跟立法來著手現在的執政黨的版本要修各自法建立各自事故通報與應變義務機制設置個人資料保護長明定角色的獨立性 |
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非公務機關收集個資需要定期取得授權建立公務機關與非公務機關之間的監督與集合制度還有最後一項要規劃監管權限的整合與過渡期的機制我們要從法制面去完整它如果今天召委所排的這個題目對於這個簡訊的發送到底是商業非商業怎麼收集而來我認為未來的個人資料保護法在修法的過程我們可以更進一步的健全它 |
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更進一步的去討論它譬如說非公務機關收集個資要定期取得授權的這個部分就有很多可以討論的嘛部長你同意我的主張吧這個法制的完備我想更能夠保護那個個人的個人資料下一頁如果要說誰濫用個資國民黨實在是第一名啦叫國民黨第一名啦針對霸團的 |
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負責人這個鬧得沸沸揚揚這個阿美他不只被公佈了本名他的行業他的公司都被國民黨黨中央用記者會的方式用黨機器來肉搜公民請問這有沒有違反個人資料的保護啊部長 |
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這部分如果又有告發告訴那這邊我們檢查會但是不是就構成了這個事實這個還是要有好個人來告發再來認定但是這就非常清楚的是未經他人同意把他的真實姓名行業對外公告我認為這就明確的違法了下一頁國民黨做賊喊抓賊洩露個資最佳一級的是濫用 |
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市府的資源行政不中立所以基隆的案件呢這個民政處長呢40萬交保他自己也辭職了因為動用了公家資源調出了戶政系統的個人資料去幫忙作為造假連署這個法院已經認證了是誰違法呢是郭明棟在基隆 |
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有沒有往上延燒因為這個民政處長呢他隱匿共犯隱匿完整犯罪情節很可能有串供之魚很可能向上延燒會不會燒到基隆市的大家長或是國民黨的任何人不知道證據到哪裡就辦到哪裡我支持檢調查辦下一頁 |
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而花蓮一樣 這個民政處長也辭職了他也遭地檢署來起訴因為濫用花蓮縣府的戶政系統去對罷團有連署的公民來查水表 |
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這個也違反個資所以司法認證是誰在盜用人民的個資叫罪中國國民黨 下一頁而我也非常的難以相信就是國民黨的立法委員 葉委員他居然可以在節目上說呢說這個明良真啊 就是花蓮縣府的這個民政處長啊 |
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葉元之說就他看來從頭到尾這個明良真沒有洩露什麼個資啊因為這個個資本來就在他手上就在花蓮縣政府就在民政系統的手上啊這個個資本來就是他所有的啊所以呢花蓮縣府拿這個個資 |
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去做不該做的事是要批判 但是葉元之認為從頭到尾花蓮縣府沒有洩漏個資 因為這個個資本來就在花蓮縣政府的手上也就是把公民的個人資料當作他的私有產物當作他的私有權 可以動用 可以濫用盜用有理 挪用無罪 這就是中國國民黨的委員 |
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到底是法盲還是文盲啊法律看不懂還是法律認知大有問題啊今天還有一個最新的案子花蓮又爆發了某一位他沒有居住在花蓮他是數年前到花蓮遊玩有去租車公司租了一台車結果呢他最近收到了在調查郭台銘總統連署案 |
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他居然他的個資被拿去他沒有要連署支持郭台銘參選總統可是他被拿去用了這就是現在發生的在國民黨及國民黨相關系統不管是總統副總統的選舉連署或者是惡霸亂霸的連署盜用濫用人民的個資第一名叫做中國國民黨 |
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所以今天周伟的牌啊我认为非常的选择性啊 |
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應當專案報告成為我剛剛的題目才對啊應當好好來研析一下啊國民黨執政縣市濫用戶政系統各自進行偽造罷免連署嚴重傷害人民權益這不就才應當是今天召委排案的主題嗎如果你要討論這個簡訊傳送也可以啊至少要併案啊怎麼這麼選擇性這麼不公正呢 |
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違法的事證這麼明確的不敢問不敢探究護航自己人我說一次再說一次針對所謂的簡訊的使用請在野黨的委員好好在個人資料保護法裡面的法治健全的討論我們好好來研習法律在未來的要成立專責機關我們好好就法治面去探討 |
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而不是來做這種個案的操作做這種政治的操作我認為這非常有違立法委員的專業性公平性 |
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今天不好意思後面題目時間到了沒有辦法讓大家回答我們繼續努力我再一次說任何的個案尊重司法偵辦勿妄勿縱司法案件的核心是證據而不是政治司法核心是在證據而不是政治請所有的從政者都應當有這樣基本的法制態度正確的解讀好辛苦大家謝謝 |