| IVOD_ID |
161328 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161328 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-14T10:28:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-14T10:38:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4f2e91488ef6971b3b20a951ee2e368da35373469a84e2c35433fb1cebf983d856c4274c4566c6a95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:40 - 10:38:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
二、本院國民黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民眾消費韌性特別條例草案」案。
三、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「因應國際情勢衝擊強化經濟社會韌性特別條例草案」案。
四、本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
五、本院委員王美惠等17人擬具「因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」案。
（第一案如未獲議事處來函則不予審查，第二至第五案業經各黨團簽署不復議同意書。）（詢答）
【5月14日及5月15日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席是不是請經濟部何次長還有台電的曾董事長何次長你好我要請教因為美國是台灣荷蘭料與重要核能設備供應國那台美雙方有簽署核能和平利用合作協定對不對 |
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那美國在台協會鼓勵言近日表示在核能方面美國準備好協助引進既有及新興的技術例如小型模組化的反應爐也樂意幫助台灣解決核廢料儲存的挑戰 |
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那過去已經過世的環保署署長李應元前署長也曾希望美國協助處理台灣的核廢料那這個核廢料議題本期希望經濟部與台電等相關部會競速與美方來磋商那修改台美 |
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核能和平利用合作協定將美方協助台灣處理核廢料的儲存也納入整個協定之中以利台灣未來核能發展這個請經濟部把本席的建議我想跟台電你們帶回去就是給行政院來研究可以吧 |
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我想我們會研究 因為新核能的這些技術還在等待這個商轉期所以這個發展的過程可能我們還是需要關注這些相關技術的一個發展 |
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因為這是未來講實在話現在核能全世界都把它歸類成綠能而且你看那個福島它也是重新再起那為什麼說台電一直虧損年年你就是用因為講實在話以核養綠是對的但是 |
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現在就是你綠能也接不上然後你核燃油全部都到齊那講實在話我們希望說這個人員的部分是非常重要因為媒體報導包括阿拉斯加液化天然氣的管線計畫需要耗費440億美元差不多新台幣1.3兆來打造1287公里長的輸送管將天然氣送到亞洲 |
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那我請問何市長相較於參與投資與興建美國阿拉斯加天然氣的管線為何不繼續沿用傳運的模式擴大向美方來購買天然氣因為管線與傳運兩種天然氣運輸成本的分析比較利弊得失經濟部你們到底有沒有去 |
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這個考量過讓社會大眾來做參酌對電價可能有衝擊到底衝擊多少因為你從那裡運輸過來說不定你比那個船運更貴那剛剛其實前面的委員有講你像這個 |
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我們這個核能的部分你要是說美國我們給他買一些現在我們幾座核電廠還有一些空間那你要是能夠利用把它好好的運作不會台電虧損年年因為你現在你的綠電你的風電那個價格都是天價 |
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你核電是最便宜最乾淨而且不會污染的電你們就晃著說我就是不用我就是一定要用綠電用光電結果你看很多現在都在燒煤炭 |
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那個台中啊彰化其實那些很多鄉親包括甚至於桃園周邊你看多嚴重因為他們一直在燒啊我相信台電董事長你很清楚跟委員報告其實我們現在是用天然氣來取代煤做為這個也是一樣有汙染啦對不對 |
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這幾年來其實我們台電的火力發電的這些空屋的量已經降到 降了七成左右了所以目前我們也正在加速在做一些機組的太舊換新那這個部分我想也會改善我們台灣的這個那個市長我希望你們要好好的規劃啦 |
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長遠的規劃不是一直好像一個坑一樣那這次你要是說不過一千億不夠的話你們說馬上要漲電價那等於是永遠的一個坑嘛那個洞是補不滿的啦要真的要好好的為老百姓來著想現在外面的物價你看一直在飆漲對不對政府是有責任的 |
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那個根據核安會的核三廚藝計畫核三廠每部機組每年發電是84億度換言之核三廠二號機每天發電差不多2300萬度啦那根據台電的官方這個數據應該有一些誤解應該是只有75億度而已75億度不是84億度就對了那個 |
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因為我這是有根據的根據台電官網各種發電方式之發電成本114年1到3月燃氣每度3.05塊核能每度是1.76塊那核三廠二號機每日發電量除以後若全數改用天然氣發電每天要多發2967萬一年下來發電的成本多了108億 |
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這是有根據的啦反觀鄰國你看日本歷經了311事件仍然重新來擁抱核能透過修法在安全的前提下允許再延長核電廠運轉的連線美國日本包括鄰近的韓國都大舉來發展核電難道賴政府的人員政策你們不能通盤檢討嗎 |
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那個何次長你們不能夠通盤前逃嗎 問完報告齁 其實就是說整個核能的政策齁 我想不管總統或院長都講得很清楚啦 因為牽涉到整個核能的安全還有核廢料的處理 全世界任何國家都一樣不是只有我們這裡啊 對 但是台灣地小人醜啦 地小人醜所以我們需要特別關注核能安全的問題因為一發生這些相關的這種地震齁這個可能就會影響到整個核 |
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核能安全的部分那另外我們核電廠也都已經運作40年了那為什麼鄰近國家他們可以繼續演我們這裡就不行呢你只要把它檢查好安全無力繼續演有什麼問題所以必須要經過一個程序啦我希望說好好的去探討啦 |
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我認為說不是你們這樣講就這樣算因為你要為全體老百姓來著想人家為什麼全世界都是用把核電都繼續使用甚至還擴大包括美國都一樣我們為什麼一定要全部把它廢掉廢得綠電 光電 風電而且裡面貪污一堆大家清清楚楚的我們希望說政府要站在老百姓的立場 |
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輝達執行長黃連勳來台灣參加2025年台北國際電腦展相關活動有望宣布輝達海外總部在台灣選址的結果那我請問理事長輝達投資台灣是否因為美國關稅而有變數 有沒有 |
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我想這個部分應該由輝達的公司你們應該要去了解我們是不是可以期待輝達加碼投資台灣在台設立海外總部輝達其實他目前在台灣這邊跟我們經濟部這邊申請的相關的一些研發的計畫都還持續在進行當中沒有斷 |
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那個次長2024年為例喬外資合計台台投資78億美元2023年投資112億美元受到美國關稅戰的影響經濟部預估2025年喬外資投資台灣的金額目標你們有沒有去預估過大概可以多少美元 |
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這個部分我想我們都是滾動式在檢討啦因為這個目前這個美國關稅的政策現在大家都還在觀望當中有沒有機會像2024年那樣子我想我們希望能夠突破啦這樣喔 好 謝謝 |