| IVOD_ID |
161219 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161219 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T09:30:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T09:43:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d526c68108f3f5b431c63ba08a40ece61fc8c36c5eeff8411bae25638440f1b511c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:30:32 - 09:43:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於監察院主管預算凍結項目共1案。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院人事行政總處及所屬主管預算凍結項目共7案。
三、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於考試院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案。
四、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於法務部及所屬主管預算凍結項目共23案。） |
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王國興議員 |
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謝謝主席 事事麻煩有請法務部部長 最高檢察署刑檢察總長以及高等檢察署張檢察長請政部長還有我們刑檢察總長 高檢署 |
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三位早 時間的關係不亦問候過去在2017年世改國是會議的時候做成一個非常重要的決議嚴肅的追究違反偵查不公開的責任因為長期以來偵查不公開變成偵查亂公開 |
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在2017年世凱國事會議以後我們本來期待這樣的亂象可以獲得改善結果沒想到是越來越誇張了 |
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在今天法務部所提出的解凍報告當中針對最高檢察署已經就偵查不公開的亂象就違反偵查不公開的個案有督導該一二審檢察署確實查明來請檢察總長跟高檢署的張檢察長兩位來請 |
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你們說就目前違反偵查不公開的個案有督導該一二審檢察署確實查明那目前的進度如何 |
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沒關係啊 看是要檢察總長回答還是檢察長回答因為有時候你們的權責到底是怎麼劃分的在相關的作業辦法裡面說最高檢察總長也好上級檢察署的檢察長也好都有這個職責要依照職權來查明嘛 |
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那有的時候你們在這邊回答的時候皮球踢來踢去我也不曉得到底是誰負責啦今天竟然在書面報告裡面說針對違反偵查不公開的個案有督導一二審檢察署確實查明嗎那現在確實查明的進度是什麼 |
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報告委員這一部分我們台高軍署非常的重視依照法務部以及最高檢察署的一個指示除了召開多次的會議以及舉行的相關的一個座談會之外我們要求我們所屬的地檢署務必依照我們目前的那個政策不公開的相關的一個規定來去注意的落實至於相關的具體的數據資料我們會後是不是在那個在送那委員這邊參考講具體的啦來 |
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之前啊就有記者說經營減掉至少7年嘛消息來源200%正確嘛這應該是有包括在你們今天所提出來的書面報告針對個案有要求一二審確實查明那上一次 |
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我在質詢的時候我提出來的重點是北檢洩密結果自己查自己自己發新聞稿當天傳喚當天就發新聞稿說絕對沒有這樣子的事情請外界不要再用臆測的方式無端指責這個個案我上一次請教部長的時候部長說沒有簽結現在還在偵辦當中目前偵辦的進度如何 |
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跟委員報告 目前還在偵辦中 還沒有簽結目前還在偵辦中 來 請高檢署這個算是你們督導的範圍嗎是我們督導的範圍我們一般檢察官辦案的期限多長一般是八個月一般八個月 這個案子超過八個月沒有應該是還沒有應該是還沒有我們具體 經濟等接下來的結果 |
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社會大眾對於這種亂象大家是深惡痛絕結果看到北檢自己發新聞稿說沒有這樣子的事情結果北檢自己查自己現在還是繼續北檢自己查自己嗎還是高檢署有下去督導 |
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報告委員 因為這屬於個案的偵查 那是屬我們的地檢署的一個偵辦的一個範圍那我們太高檢署 不用行政 我們會來去持續來去督導瞭解好 分兩個部分嘛 刑事偵查的部分 交由個案的檢察官偵辦 這沒有問題嗎 |
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下一個問題那你說就行政的部分高檢署要持續了解現在了解的進度如何這部分我們進行相關的了解因為這部分有關於刑事的一個偵查的個案偵查的一個結果我們目前還不知道 |
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那等到偵查的結果出來的話 當然我們就會依照偵查的結果 啟動相關的行政的調查所以要等到偵查的結果出來了以後 才會啟動行政程序喔對 因為這一般是先偵查 後面才去行政的一個因為現在社會大眾啊 非常的困惑北檢說啊 他們自己沒有洩密但很奇怪啊 在偵查的期間當中 這些資料基本上就只有檢察官才有 |
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辯護連月卷都沒有辦法月在這樣的情況之下這些偵查當中的秘密怎麼洩漏出去的到目前為止沒有給社會大眾一個清楚的交代那既然說還在偵辦當中還沒有結案那我們就拭目以待看這個案子要拖多久接下來第二個問題我之前有請教過部長 |
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為什麼我們的共諜案在偵辦的期間當中結果總統府在具體無上語之前就知道了提前一天解除他的職務那個時候部長不斷的說明這個絕對沒有洩密那我的問題就來了那總統府怎麼知道的是通靈嗎來請教一下高檢署檢察長 |
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針對這個案子有開始分案調查了嗎報告委員我們這部分抬高監署並沒有啟動行政的調查並沒有啟動行政的調查我今天可以公開檢舉請你們啟動調查嗎這很嚴重啊在申辦共諜的案件當中 |
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偵辦到一半結果就有人洩密洩密了以後總統府可以提前一簽解除他的職務這裡面一定有鬼嘛來請問一下高檢署的檢察長這個案子我今天我上一次在部長在這邊的時候其實我就已經公開檢舉了嘛針對這樣子的事情來高檢署的檢察長你認為有沒有洩密的問題報告委員這部分台北地檢署已經封案來依法偵辦了 |
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台北地檢署有分案依法偵辦我希望好好偵辦啊因為這個事情大家看不懂啊大家看不懂啊為什麼總統府提前一天知道解除職務是通靈嗎 |
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一樣 我們接下來看 偵辦的結果以後 拭目以待接下來 今天在解凍第二個重要的問題是有關於棄保潛逃的問題在問棄保潛逃的問題之前 我先請教檢察官視察被告的處所應不應該要通知法院來 請檢察長報告委員 這部分我們會依照刑事訴訟法第106條的規定來去處理 |
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那我現在的問題來了台北地檢署最近五年八十四次視察只有兩次通知法院而且兩次通知法院剛好都是林俊炎去醫院的時候都是林俊炎去醫院的時候 |
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他是不是在那個中間的過程當中被辯護人檢舉啦所以趕快補報法院我不願意多做揣測啊但接下來的問題是啊我請他們函附給我我請他們函附給我北檢最近84次視察只有兩次通知法院將有符合刑事訴訟法的規定嗎來 請教檢察長邦委員啊 這部分我們要求啊 那個所屬的檢察署這已經不是要求不要求了嘛 |
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過去84次 幾乎都沒有通知法院這有沒有違反刑事訴訟法這部分我們要求所屬的法院 檢察署 依照規定來辦理對 我現在就問你嘛你一直跟我說 你會要求所屬的檢察署依照規定來辦理那現在的問題是 他們有依照規定在辦理嗎顯然沒有嘛我有沒有說錯 檢察長目前好像是沒有徹底的落實 |
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您講話還蠻有藝術的啊所以目前沒有徹底的落實啊你看連昭偉都在笑啦除了林俊元去醫院那兩次其他通通都沒有通知法院啊是絕大多數都沒有按照規定啊來處理針對這樣明顯違反刑事訴訟法的狀況高檢署打算怎麼處理既往不咎之前違反就違反了沒有關係我們之後大家不要這樣幹就可以了是這樣嗎呃 |
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報告委員 這部分我們太高監事會通案要求我們所屬檢察署來落實來去辦理好來 接下來 撮文字 落跑的事情我現在在政策面上面 再請教一下部長法務部 贊不贊成訂棄保檢討罪 |
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這部分我們有提出法案現在那個行政已經審訊了所以政策立場上面是贊成的嗎是贊成那行政院審訊的條文什麼時候會提出來即將要送那個院會來所以還沒有送院會來處理嗎上次那個委員有詢問的時候那個有行政有承諾就是說明天啊我現在直接跟部長講明天就要處理了到目前為止 |
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我們都還沒有看到法務部具體條文的建議希望法務部把握時間盡快把它提出來因為這件事情我們不是最近才問從去年就開始問了一路問到今年在委員會審查的時候在黨團協商的時候請法務部提出條文來一直都不願意提出來 |
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明天就要處理啦我希望法務部啊能夠把握機會把你們建議的條文啊趕快提出來來最後請請檢察總長最後一個問題就好了中文字的案子啊最高檢察署之前有發新聞稿說這件事情嘛你們非常的重視要立案調查目前調查的結果如何來請檢察總長 |
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那個委員是指的哪一方面來請看一下最高檢察署新聞稿你是指哪一方面的調查人為什麼把他放掉為什麼檢察官沒有在這個過程當中表達意見這個台北地檢署跟台高檢署分別在進行調查那至於那個鍾先生的逃亡現在台北地檢署也在偵辦中來請一下高檢署 |
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剛剛檢查總長說高檢署也有在進行調查嗎報告委員我們台高檢署分調案進行相關的調查什麼時候分調案進行調查的已經從案發之後我們就分調案來進行調查還需要多久應該在這個月有機會我們會去調查完畢 |
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這個月嗎對 這個月高檢署進行的是行政調查吧對 高檢署是行政調查不是行事調查嗎不是 這是台北地檢署目前正在沒有關係啊 行事調查的部分我們尊重啊行事調查的部分我們尊重啊行政調查的部分這個月完成了以後是不是可以把調查報告給本委員會的委員 |
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這部分我們如果調查報告的話那個依照相關的規定我們也會送到委員會來送到委員會來因為這些我今天質詢的案子都是社會大眾關心有重大的公益性但到目前為止都沒有給國人一個合理的交代希望高檢署這個月完成了行政調查報告了以後送到本委員會來好 謝謝謝謝黃國昌委員 |