| IVOD_ID |
161212 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161212 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T11:37:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T11:53:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d52f07ebb04eda2519435f3e47612ac34e98c36c5eeff8411ba09fd7cf4a47809cd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:37:49 - 11:53:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會及所屬預算解凍案。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關不當黨產處理委員會預算解凍案。三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關中央選舉委員會及所屬預算解凍案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關大陸委員會預算解凍案。五、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關客家委員會及所屬預算解凍案。
【5月12日（星期一）、14日（星期三）、15日（星期四）三天一次會】） |
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海委會管主委、中選會理主委、陸委會邱主委、客委會谷主委 |
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本席想請教四位對於我們中央政府的總預算我們中央應該說我們的預算它是人民的血汗錢不是執政黨的提款卡認同的請舉手 |
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李主委不認同我們中央政府的預算那個是人民的血汗錢不是執政黨的提款卡 |
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預算 國會的監督 主要最應該的應該是監督錢有沒有合法的編列以及是不是能夠真正把事情做對 做出績效而不是開空白支票 認同的請舉手 |
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所以委員都很支持我們所以在委員會只刪了1500萬我現在是請四位認同的請舉手我再講一遍就是我們的預算應該是要能夠把事情能夠做對而且做出績效我們各位身為行政官員你認同 |
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人民的血汗錢這麼多的預算我們應該把事情做對 做出績效而且合法的編列 認同的請舉手我認同不 認同的請舉手 |
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我認為這個是一個簡單的道理請委員是不是可以容許我們我現在就在問認同的請舉手這個好像小學生一樣也浪費了委員的時間主席麻煩你暫停時間我沒有要他們答覆他們在答覆我請他們舉手他們都不舉手 |
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主委員 因為舉手這個動作 說實在的請委員原諒因為剛剛主委也說了 我們四個人在這裡都舉手現在這個時代就是影像出去的話 所以我們用口頭回答好不好認同的請點頭 可以吧原來你們是很在意舉手 那認同的請點頭我再問一個問題 |
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您在座的四位主委以及您所率領的單位同仁你們都有認知到說我們的職責 |
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就是為全民服務我們不是替某個政黨來出征不是替某個政黨服務我們領的是國家人民的納稅錢、薪水就是您主委以及您所率領的我們這些同仁大家有這份認知的請點頭 |
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我們前幾天破貨的毒品當然是為全民我沒有請你回答認同的請舉手對不起 認同的請點頭好 謝謝所以我們希望我們的中央政府的官員我們是為全民服務很多事情把它做好我想我們所有的在野黨的立委 |
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我們絕對不是如外面現在謠言惑眾所說的我們三預算凍結預算是要黨改革或是政府做對絕對沒有我們就是希望能夠讓政府能夠做到民眾期望的 |
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那只要是當用則用那當省則省不要腐爛編列預算好現在我請三位主委回座請谷主委留這個好謝謝好許委員好好谷主委是本席想請教您我們客委會 |
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在行政院還沒有核定前就已經把新一期的國家客家發展計畫編入了114年度的預算請問這個有沒有違反預算法第39條第一項明定的預算之編制應依據法定計畫 |
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應該這麼說我們國家客家發展計畫因為第一期到112年那113年空窗了所以我們在因為113年所以你們是不是應該要行政院要核定嘛 |
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到現在都還沒核定 現在已經在會各部會的意見當中到目前都還沒有核定你們就已經把整個沒有這樣的一個依據計劃內容你們就已經預算編進去但我們針對中長城的計劃編列預算這個是合乎規定的 |
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可是現在國家客家發展計畫沒有你到現在沒有提出來那今天的解凍案已經提出來了已經提到行政院我所謂提出來對不起我講的是我們今天的解凍案今天解凍案當初是說我們要提出 |
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解凍書面報告以及新一期的國家客家發展計畫那你這個計畫行政院沒有核定你就提出來那你當初提給行政院的時候行政院也還有意見你們現在應該在修改吧跟委員報告國家客家發展計畫並沒有在這所有的書面或專題報告專案報告裡頭當中所以每一個案子我們都提過來了 |
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今天沒有這個案嗎應該沒有啊應該沒有吧那我們看到那個內容裡面那個是委員應該是有一位委員提到一直提到我們113年度沒有國家客家發展計畫那是114年到117年這樣那本席特別的在這裡等一下我要請那個另一位單位上來我在最後 |
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針對那個谷主委我想即便是蔡英文總統執政的八年我們看到柯委會的預算還是總預算柯委會的預算還是有被刪減 |
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即便我們李永德主委 柯委會主委 他的夫人就是我們的邱委員在民進黨蔡英文八年的完全執政下 還是有刪減預算所以不要再拿說 有客家人刪減客家預算來做文章 |
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這個立法委員監督不管刪減或凍結一定是有憑有據不合法的或是服邊的該刪的要刪但是凍結的部分來自於我們的審查的空間時間不夠不夠完備所以呢我們有這個凍結的機制也就是說我們行政單位提出凍結報告 |
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解凍報告那讓我們委員們覺得這個是合乎這個規定的而且也看到了行政單位的這個成效我們是可以解凍的所以我想主委您應該也了解那在這個客委會我想我時間的關係好謝謝主委最後我們可不可以請那個主計總處今天有沒有來 |
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好請主席總署不好意思主委還是請你對因為接下來也還是這個委員好 |
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我想請教主計總署這個剛剛本席質詢的我們國家客家發展計畫這個預算的編列如果計畫沒有核定前就先編列預算請問主計總署有沒有認定違法因為我們114年的預算已經審完了但是在提出預算前他這個行政院沒有編沒有沒有核定 |
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我們這邊編列的計劃是指中長城個案計劃那計劃經過行政院核定之後我們就會那邊預算對但是在預算提出來之前還沒核定嗎這邊講的委員這邊講的應該是客家的特別 |
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一個整體大的方向的一個規劃案並不是涉及個案的計畫不是涉及個案所以我本席問的就是新一期的國家客家發展計畫沒有核定可是它依據它卻已經編出預算了 |
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好 沒關係所以這一塊足跡總署我現在主要問你嘛如果計劃沒有核定前先編預算是不是有認定違法目前客委會的這些預算都有這些計劃都有經過行政院的核定中長城個案計劃的部分都有經過我們的如果是屬於工建或者是一些科技計劃都有經過審議程序納入預算 |
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但是我們看到的是沒有所以這個部分我們等一下請主委講那個我跟委員說明齁其實國家客家發展計劃它是一個綱要型的計劃它不涉及這個預算的編列預算編列是在中長程計劃的個案型計劃那個是已經有通過通過我們才可以編預算所以你們有計劃內容依據就對了當然有 |
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那沒關係等一下我們看你們那個回應的這個內容因為我們在你們的報告中有特別提到好那所以那個有要補充嗎 主席總署有關於那個客委會的這一支計劃那是不是稍後請客委會補充行政院核定的函號那就是有確定說是經過行政院核定的所以你們這一塊也有把關是 |
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最後本席想特別就主席總書的請回主委我想我們客家 |
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的語言跟文化的傳承預算的經費當然很重要但是我們能夠做出績效讓我們客家的文化語言能夠真正的傳承才是最重要的現在很多人都覺得整個的傳承是崩壞的所以我們希望您再努力好不好 |
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一定是這樣子那也要特別請委員特別是我們的委員在客家莊或者是客籍的委員來協助這個預算的支持我們一定支持而且我在這邊最後感謝主席我最後講 |
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我們柯爾會在網頁上在FB上面所寫的我要在這邊特別說我們在委員會的時候本席當召委主持一毛沒三您認同吧我也跟委員說不是吧你認同嗎你回答我問題然後接著我知道你要講的是院會二讀三讀所以我在這裡我要講的 |
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這完全沒有討論過 那我們也承諾不及沒有辦法說明 那也要請這個時候客氣的不是欸 主席我沒有問 我問的你答完你可以讓我講嗎是然後進入二讀跟三讀 進入二讀跟三讀的時候其實黨團提出來的時候 主委你沒看到這個我之前也有跟委員不是我可不可以講啊 |
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黨團在二讀跟三讀的時候每個黨團都內部有在討論你沒看到的是我們課級的委員怎麼樣的在為課委會的預算護航所以我要講的就是說如果我們不是吉利那您要做出績效而且這這麼多委員在進入到院會甚至二讀三讀黨團的時候有各個政黨的委員還有個別的委員 |
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所以我要講的是我們在黨團協商的時候我們自己黨團內部我們幫客委會擋掉了非常多雖然到後面你們也許還有你的意見但是你要想一想你的績效你很多績效被我們質詢被我們講沒做好你應該想辦法做好你做好 |
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我相信其他委員支持我們客級的委員我們全力的支持所以我想我們在黨團提出來的時候也很多單位他都有來溝通那我因為我個人沒有在黨團的時候提出來我不知道你們有沒有溝通我不知道你們有沒有溝通所以我在這裡我要在最後再強調在黨團提案的時候 |
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我看到的我能幫我們客委會的我們都盡量我們擋掉了非常多所以我現在跟你講嘛你蔡英文執政的時候你蔡英文執政的八年你的委員你民進黨 |
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執政黨的委員70幾席一樣刪除會委會預算我們可以給大家看蔡英文執政的8年所以那個沒什麼好講的因為所有委員都監督所以你們應該要去跟行政單位多溝通 |
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那我表達就是說我一個人但是在野黨有六十幾位所以你們要多去溝通我們已經幫客委會計量了黨但是你的表現你客委會展現出來的績效還有你對預算你有沒有扶邊讓邊被人家質疑針對特定單位你的這個經費還有重複編列 |
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你的合理性必要性你沒有說服委員你的營運收入你一直年年應該提升你卻沒有提升所以我想有很多可以再加強你做得好我們大家全力支持好謝謝主委也謝謝主席好謝謝 |