| IVOD_ID |
161203 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161203 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T10:09:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T10:21:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d52acd8df590777176b35f3e47612ac34e98c36c5eeff8411baa5d303fbad1cac0e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:37 - 10:21:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會及所屬預算解凍案。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關不當黨產處理委員會預算解凍案。三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關中央選舉委員會及所屬預算解凍案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關大陸委員會預算解凍案。五、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關客家委員會及所屬預算解凍案。
【5月12日（星期一）、14日（星期三）、15日（星期四）三天一次會】） |
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今天我們審六個部會的解凍案然後一個部會一分鐘請問一下今天召委是整個都要處理嗎 |
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我們看情況啊可是你看你們講我都沒有都讓你們講啊我想在這個我們所有這個不管是透過立法院這個直播系統或者是網路上的朋友他們也覺得很疑惑今天要這麼嚴重重大的解凍案然後我們六分鐘然後今天是六個部會那事實上真的是有很多的問題還沒有辦法問完那等於說一分鐘一個部會 |
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好吧那沒關係既然這也是立法院長期的不過今天我的建議是如果我們對各部會還有意見的話我覺得還是先讓他不要解凍啦我們讓形成更多的社會共識之後讓更多的繳納稅錢的我們的全國百姓能夠清楚知道他們的納稅錢怎麼使用然後在立法院我們立法委員是如何監督他們的納稅錢我覺得這比較合理謝謝 |
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我先請選委會的李敬勇主委好 請李主委主委你在立法院六年了你算是從蔡政府一直到賴政府當中一直在被任用的選委會主委你認為這六年你做得好嗎 |
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我非常的努力跟我的同仁大家共同來把事做得好努力跟做得好是兩回事情欸你覺得你有中立嗎?我中立本席是無黨籍的我沒有任何政黨的奧援沒有任何政黨的支持可是我發現你是非常的不中立喔那我先請問你一下今天我有凍結你的預算對於原住民長期來選舉的困境請問你知道我們的困境有什麼嗎? |
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我想第一個經常被關心的就是有關原住民投票的秘密性你一講話我就去掉了一分鐘你快一點好不好我已經告訴你了投票秘密的問題最近關心的還包括原住民例如立法委員他的補選缺額補選的問題等等還有呢還有不在籍投票 |
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這個已經是在立法院了耶不再舉投票對已經在立法院準備要政黨協商了耶那麼重要好我告訴你吧有幾個部分第一個是原住民的投票率非常的低對不對為什麼會低因為投票秘密的問題然後第二個就是因為不再舉投票的問題然後第三個就是我們要投票的時候現場人根本不曉得原住民是哪一個顏色甚至於把我們的票放在抽屜裡面 |
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然後看到的是原住民的之後跟他說我是原住民然後才從抽屜裡面拿出這樣子的票來給我們原住民的族人投票這不僅僅是很久的問題了我在上一屆的時候已經在上個會期我已經說了而且我也凍結你的預算結果呢你給我的書面報告是什麼您知道嗎 |
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過去我們有若干的瑕疵對原住民投票的部分是有若干的瑕疵但是我們也有一些改進以及精進的作為我提出凍結案要希望你提出具體可行改善的專案報告請問一下你今天的專案報告是什麼 |
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您能不能說明一下既然你說你跟你的同仁都很努力都很認真原住民投票的問題不是一兩天的問題已經是那麼多次了您說一下有關於這個不在籍投票的部分其實這個牽涉到我們一貫的這個選務的這個進程的問題所以不在籍投票我們是認為應該是要從對市比較單純的這個 |
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公民投票來開始而且這個不在即投票他有很多的方式我們認為在這個移轉投票的部分是已經有實施的經驗了我們就從移轉投票來開始進行那這樣子的案子在上一屆提進來了屆期不連續這一屆我們也在提進來了那是不是可以請委員也幫忙這部分我們先來推動再進次的 |
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你自己給我的報告你看了沒有我現在告訴你吧你的報告裡面講原住民不在局投票報告中提到的確會降低族人的交通成本這有助於族人參與投票理論上是雖屬可行的當然可是對不對是可行的嘛對吧 |
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理論上是可惜的嘛有各方面的考量理論上是可惜的嘛然後你們告訴我說因為內政部他們認為有投票秘密的問題請問主委投票秘密的問題有數據來支持你的論述嗎還是你自己的想像從制度上的設計當然我們可以來討論也許它會有一些疑慮是有待於澄清的 |
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請問一下你們報告裡面承認不再提投票是可以改善原住民投票率那你們具體改善的作為是什麼不再提投票的部分嗎我想這個不再提投票的部分需要更進一步的討論你知不知道我們已經提案了而且我做召委的時候已經審過了然後現在已經在朝野協商了那你認為我們的版本你支持嗎 |
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如果朝野協商大院形成共識你們經過這個院會通過的話作為執行機關我們就按照法律規定來執行所以您認為我們只要在大院裡面通過你們就認為沒問題對不對那當然我們必須要依法執行謝謝你的尊重同樣的問題在選務疏失上面你們提出的是要加強宣導請問你們要怎麼樣實際改善選務疏失的問題 |
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我們不斷地來進行各項的一個教育訓練那除了這個...將你任內就教育訓練六年啦沒有錯但是...可是還是沒有改善啊我有請...是有改善啦有改善這個...沒有改善啊每一次的選舉它動員...沒有改善這一次立法委員總統的選舉我們還收到投訴書 |
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每一次的選舉動員的人數達到那請你告訴我要怎麼樣具體提出可行改善的改善方案你就只是告訴我說你要持續的宣導那以前也在宣導訓練不只是宣導我們加強訓練那要怎麼訓練請你告訴我現在請你告訴我要怎麼訓練我已經透過今天要解凍你的案了 |
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加強訓練怎麼樣 加強訓練嗎我們每次選務辦理之前都會把選務人員的訓練列為考核很重要的項目 |
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那然後呢如果出錯的話他考核就有問題嗎然後你認為就是說我們如果原住民在現場看到又有這種情況我們要記他的名字嗎用手機把它錄下來嗎這個在整個考核法整個過程都是公開透明的包括如果有一些疏失的話選民都會 |
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選民也都會給我們主委今天我要解凍你的預算啦你怎麼考合法請你告訴我我們在考積的部分也都會做考量怎麼樣考積嘛只要原住民投訴就有問題是不是投訴之後我們要去調查調查完了之後呢調查完了如果是有疏失的話我們在考積的部分啊都會做適當的處置主席啊你看一下我們今天要怎麼解凍他的案子啊 |
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在書面報告我也沒有看到今天我在這邊質詢他他還講不出個所以然來所以主委你根本沒有把原住民這樣子長期以來選務的問題放在您的心上你還算中立嗎我看到的是你當中選會你只挑你想做的東西然後呢你想做的東西你就趕快來處理甚至於根本不適任您的位置你講出這些一些不合理的話請你不要講話我還沒有請你回答 |
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我請你回答的時候你說不出個所以然來然後不讓你回答的時候你又在這邊不具你的身份在這邊回答你認為你是合格嗎?合適嗎?我合格我要再講的是中選會李主委我在這邊真的奉勸你 |
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536.556 |
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562.262 |
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全國人民都在看全國人民也都認為你是一個不適任的中選會主委因為為什麼你挑你想做的事情然後呢就特別專心做你的問題原住民選務的問題我們已經是長期以來沒有辦法解決的問題你在這裡任職六年了而我在立法院23年了我不斷的質詢 |
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564.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
571.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
為什麼我們原住民投票率那麼低就剛剛回到那個問題嘛第一秘密投票嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
572.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
601.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
秘密投票解決了沒有解決了你就藝人的問題請問一下藝人才是秘密投票嗎兩人不是秘密投票嗎三個人不是秘密投票嗎所以中規的問題原住民為什麼投票率低跟秘密投票有問題有關係既然你們不願意解決所謂的不在局投票我們就從秘密投票開始可是秘密投票開始你們進度又非常非常的緩慢 |
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602.426 |
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602.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
603.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那講不在籍投票吧跟我們所謂的公投把它脫鉤你們有很多的意見中選會推給內政部很抱歉喔 主委我不僅僅凍結你的預算我也凍結了內政部的預算我要讓你們兩個這部會好好的坐下來談尤其不在籍投票已經在朝野政黨協商了所以你剛剛告訴我只要立法院三讀通過 |
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655.634 |
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你們就尊重我們希望協商能夠順利你們就尊重吧通過當然我們依法來執行謝謝您在這邊我還是誠懇的建議您主委我在這邊還是誠懇的建議您希望你作為一個知識分子的良知希望你作為一個全體人民的中選會 |
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657.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
683.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
希望你站在這個位置上是領人民的納稅錢是要替全民做事而不是替政黨做事你的年紀非常大了我希望在你退休之後能夠留一個好名聲而不是讓全國的百姓認為最不中立的中選會就是您全國百姓不會去看到我全國百姓是每一個政治人物他都會檢驗 |
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685.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
694.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我這次就檢驗你我不是任何政黨的我覺得你非常的不中立今天呢我對於中選會的預算我還是認為我必須要凍結以上 謝謝 |