| IVOD_ID |
161199 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161199 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T09:33:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T09:42:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d521a298924d467f18635f3e47612ac34e98c36c5eeff8411bad2a2c3f3bcd966965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:07 - 09:42:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會及所屬預算解凍案。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關不當黨產處理委員會預算解凍案。三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關中央選舉委員會及所屬預算解凍案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關大陸委員會預算解凍案。五、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關客家委員會及所屬預算解凍案。
【5月12日（星期一）、14日（星期三）、15日（星期四）三天一次會】） |
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主席我們請黨長會好 請黨長會委員長在這裡告訴你我本席要跟你談到這個我們的審查凍結預算裡面本席要請教我們黨長會我們最主要背山跟背凍 |
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你剛才說的是不是還要補充一下來黨產會的預算其實也很簡單只有兩幕一個是一般行政一個是黨產處理我剛才報告的是一般行政的業務費的部分被凍結三分之一也就是原來其他另外一幕叫做黨產處理這一幕是已經在院會去年省預算院會的時候完全全數被刪除所以已經都沒有了 |
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所以剩下一般行政裡面的業務會少少的然後還被凍結三分之一因為我又要跟你討論跟剛才聽你的報告跟你主流的可能有些關於的問題在這裡我覺得這麼嚴肅的像剛才所說的差不多不用做了啦就等於這個單位沒好位啦 |
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因為在古早到現在這個黨黨會的成立就是以前就是我們的國家的財產變成別人黨的財產所以在民主這個國家該處理的我們就要處理啦因為本身所了解像你們最近在國會會這個案子的時候我們是敗訴 |
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但是我們還可以享受 因為包括是不是贏就是輸也不一定都輸的也不一定都贏的 就是看我們的經濟搞對 |
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就是他會拆外交隊啦在這個中華救濟總會的時候我們是贏的本來我們是輸的是不是這樣來 回答一下中方的案件就是中華救濟總會是贏的因為他只是在高等行政法院等於是第一審的狀況我們才贏的 |
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這個是沒有問題但我們有輸了幾件其實都集中在一個類型就是國民黨以前取得的財產它已經賣掉的部分法院現在有不同的意見但是法院從來沒有針對我們的證據的部分有任何的質疑也是因為我們調查是詳實的法院也接受我們調查的事實 |
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現在問題出在法院跟我們意見不一樣的地方在於說已經處分掉的黨產要怎麼追範圍怎麼樣那按照黨黨條例的規定不當黨產的定義是在第四條它是指政黨為他自己或他的附屬組織以違反政黨本質或其他背於民主法治原則之方式取得的財產它就這樣子而已 |
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他從剛才我的敘述裡面幾乎聽不到說我們黨產條約在立法的時候對於不當黨產的定義有關於價錢的取得是聚焦在價錢的取得上 沒有他只是說違反政黨本質譬如說政黨本來就不應該經營商業嘛那你經營商業這個是違反政黨本質 |
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或背於其他民主法治原則的方式,譬如說有違法的狀況,有其他脫法的狀況,只是這樣子而已。但是法院現在的意見,在我們帶的幾個案子同一個類型,就是處分掉的黨產,它要求說是以前無償取得的,或者我們可以證明它又很便宜的價錢取得,這個部分才能去追回來。 |
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所以問題聚焦在這一點,但我們對他意見不一樣,所以我們在上述當中本席再跟你請教一下,如果在這個過程當中我們的預算不夠,我們會去追加預算因為現在已經五月了,已經超過40% |
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這個過程當中我們有發動去追加預算來 回答一下我們 因為剛才我報告過了我們有 剛才說有發動沒發動那看行政院的態度行政院有問我們我們當然表達我們必須因為連請律師都請不起沒有啦 要你們的意思跟你們的意思跟行政院說啊我們有去爭取啦有去爭取 好來請陸委會主委 |
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來請主委因為時間我來請教公務人員任用的第28條有酸蟲的國籍來賓不可以擔任我們的公務人員已經違反了對台灣的 |
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中產的義務嘛,在這裡你們立委推出裡面要求大家都要有聚集,去簽這個方式,結果在你們這一波的查裡面, |
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37萬人喔 已經有99%都已經有做這個動作出來 是但是有剩2.7%他不願意做 他也不願意做因為某一間學校的教授 台學的教授他沒有 要教他也不做像這樣你要怎麼處理啦 |
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是 各位議員報告我們在整個清查軍公教核心人員第一波其實絕大部分的軍公教人員都非常的高度配合沒有啦 我知道高度配合就是有99%嘛如果要配合的話 你要怎麼處理啦 |
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我們最後盤點剩下500多件這500多件就是說他這個清查作業沒有完成因為我們用拒絕的方法是最尊重當事人成本最低那如果他不用這個方式那我們也會請人事主管機關繼續跟他請教他任職的消極資格有沒有完成 |
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持續用其他的方法來做調查因為我覺得你們這個動作出來就是一定有的你看其中裡面有人去中國的新聞局還有那個居住證是很多的我們台灣人去那裡放這些資料所以我覺得你們要好好去查好好去做我們還會有第二波 第三波 循序漸進 |
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再來一件 我要來證告我們兩岸人民法的關係的條例裡面在高調的一三在188年定的 但是當時我們定的就是退將役 移到 |
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中國 聽他們 聽他們講話 唱他們的歌 聽他們講話在那裡做什麼但是我覺得這個的情形我們一定要看著也要補充他的退休金在這裡本席剛才說的這個條款本席也有提出但是在每個星期 |
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我們就已經在宴會讓他們互惠,等他們翻牌了這個本席客,這個沒好啊,就要再展示你對本席所提出這個條例,你認為怎麼做比較好來 |
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感謝議員 我們感謝委員的努力您的立法的精神跟我們未來行政院版本的精神態度是一樣的有關於這個第九條之三對於指標性人物賦入參加中國大陸重要的黨政軍所辦理的 |
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典禮對他們的祈輝歌 請你致敬這些形式我們會加強立法而且也把不是啦 我覺得要加強因為這張會議已經越來越嚴重了國中國會規範的人員這是我們立法的方向跟委員做法一樣 |
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因為我覺得越來越嚴重,一個國家你不愛國家,你拿國家的退休金,說國家的不是,這樣你又去拿退休金,這樣非常不該,所以本省在這裡的時候,不問你們的條例 |
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來看什麼要補充的 是 不能聽證這個不愛國家 這裡的人我們不愛請你趕緊離開台灣沒關係 但也不要捏台灣的體育金啦這才是一種讓他們做不對的架勢以上好 謝謝委員 |