| IVOD_ID |
161191 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161191 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T10:56:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T11:04:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d52b87d682861ed5532988fdfbeb5b66875394796d2191c023f0303f983ebd4ce0e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:36 - 11:04:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)委員吳宗憲等17人、(二)委員賴士葆等28人、(三)委員楊瓊瓔等26人分別擬具「人工智慧基本法草案」及(四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「人工智慧發展及管理條例草案」案。
二、審查(一)委員林俊憲等23人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委員馬文君等19人、(七)委員邱若華等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查(一)委員林俊憲等22人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
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好 謝謝主席 是不是請我們次長好 陳次長好 陳局長市長 局長早最近在討論那個我們那個人口啊人口修那個水啦 電啦 瓦斯啦這個要下地嘛要規範嘛 |
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這個案子已經行之有年了我想請問一下這個人口蓋全國大概有數量多少?這裡面有電、水、電、瓦斯什麼的?這個我要...對有一百多萬現在目前沒有這樣的一個數據一百多萬處我覺得這個修的化知識體大你強制規範說 |
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人孔蓋全部要下地對不對有特殊的,比如救災什麼需求這一些可以請求來處理問題是一百多萬戶的這一些人孔蓋因為它會有氣爆的問題因為這裡面沒有辦法揮發 |
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會有公共的危險,你們有沒有考慮這個問題?我想跟委員報告,就是說有關這個是不是所有要下地,剛才委員特別提到我們不會去規定所有的要下地啦有些在什麼樣的情況下不是你的規範已經就這樣子啦這是相關委員的一個提案啦這是委員相關的一個提案啦你們交通部公路總經都沒有意見嗎? |
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我想請陳局長說明一下因為這個法已經在交通委員會討論了十幾年了十幾年了之前你們是有意見的這一次反常的我看沒什麼意見各位報告因為這個管線機構就是大概做的一些人孔蓋大概就是說在道路上面其實它有時候如果說修的不平整其實有時候比較容易就是說可能會有一些事故 |
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所以現在大概就是說希望就是說人孔蓋挖了以後整條就是回填的包括這個人孔蓋跟回填的部分希望能夠跟道路齊平讓這個尤其是騎機車的能夠更安全那平整那當然就是說如果說它能夠下地的話是整個道路上面再重鋪的話其實它平整度就沒有問題所以有一些地方政府大概就是會有一些我講的是你有沒有考慮到氣爆的問題 |
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因為底下不流通空氣不流通有電源電力公司就有電源通過他大概就是說可以下地因為他大概我的了解因為目前並不是強制現在大概有一些地方政府就是說他會要求就是說如果你不常開啟或者是就是說有特殊需要的話其實是不要下地如果說你不常開啟的那其實把它下地之後整個道路其實它平整度也沒有就是說在回田的時候可能會有凹陷的問題 |
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不是,你這個法的修,是原則下地,例外不下地,你應該顛倒過來啊你應該是原則不下地,例外的話下地,應該是這樣啊你一百多萬出,我跟你講,你這個維修一次的成本大概一萬塊錢 |
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一萬塊錢問題你要挖洞路上水泥的鋪面還有平整挖的那個坑洞洞的更多你們有沒有考慮這個問題我覺得你們公路總局應該要表示意見不能不表示意見 |
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我想跟委員報告一下,就是有關人手孔蓋要下地的這件事情當然牽涉到道路主管機關,或者是相關管線埋設的單位的意見這個原則上我們大概都會充分的尊重,尤其是地方主管機關你們有尊重嗎?是,充分尊重他們一切你們有徵詢過中華電力公司嗎?有徵詢過中華電力公司嗎?有徵詢過水業署嗎?沒有所以他們有提出來意見啊? |
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所以我們會在相關的裡頭請他們來表示相關的意見那最主要這個法案的提出是委員的提案所以原則上我們尊重這個委員會的一個討論我跟他討論過這個事情我也跟委員提案這個提案不是這一次在109年就進行而且在109年之前還更早也被提出來過他沒有很堅持 |
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所以整個 他沒有很堅持因為這個量體太大了他沒有很堅持而是你們公路總局這個案會診的時候我跟委員報告其實我們真的是尊重委員我們知道有這些各個面向的問題但是道路的平整度是要考慮的然後相關的維修的必要性也是要兼顧的我也贊成我也支持我也同意 |
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所以這個條文要如何來修,我們原則上尊重委員會的一個條文他提案委員的主要是這樣是不是尊重地方政府你把這個權限授權地方政府要協調哪一些下地哪一些不下地應該不下地為原則那麼有一些要下地的有沒有你在整個工程審查的時候地方政府他要負起主要責任這才是正本清源之道 |
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而不是說你們交通部公路總局你就尊重委員的意見,你把這個法定下去你定下去以後有一百多萬處委,我看你們怎麼處理 |
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不可能嘛你只有逐年的去實施啦我跟委員報告一下或許是但是這個現在的修正的條文我稍微念一下它是公路主管機關有必要是得它還不是因是得要求下地但是如果管縣單位認為有特殊需求是可以免下地所以這也是符合剛才委員的意見是以地方主管機關來我是建議 |
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這個法條修正的時候我們再聽聽大家的意見要地方政府也配合參與這個事情你起碼地方政府在審查的時候,你給他應該很大的權限因為道路主要還是地方政府在負責嘛你們怎麼可能管得那麼密密麻麻,枝枝節節的管那麼多勒是不是有的有需要,有的沒需要你這裡是講說下地的時候 |
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他的特殊性就是救災啦或是幹什麼等等啦特殊原因可以不要下地但你這個本末顛倒啦,我是覺得你應該是你應該是原則上不下地啦 |
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那麼下地的部分應該是特殊的需求應該把它顛倒過來沒有我跟據縣委員有討論過這個事情有關這個條文怎麼修如果到時候進入組條要討論的時候我想我們再跟委員來討教我們協商會等的時候注意一下這個問題好不好是是是是我們尊重整個委員會討論的結果好不好第四項跟第五項好不好是是是好謝謝 |