| IVOD_ID |
161180 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161180 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-12T09:43:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-12T09:57:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2e24114430e85d528ed4ae056d174a1363ba08a40ece61fc126717e85ea3e0083edf8563874a00ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:45 - 09:57:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於監察院主管預算凍結項目共1案。
二、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於行政院人事行政總處及所屬主管預算凍結項目共7案。
三、審查及處理114年度中央政府總預算關於考試院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案。
四、處理114年度中央政府總預算關於法務部及所屬主管預算凍結項目共23案。） |
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謝謝主席,那我們麻煩請部長還有檢察總長還有調局局長請正部長、新檢察總長還有程局長你感冒?你感冒?感冒可以給你檢查,少問兩分鐘沒關係謝謝你的好意 |
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好三位早我想請問一下就是你們這次解凍的部分那因為我之前一直有在詢問那個AI解凍的專案報告那我想請問一下因為我看到這次法務部的報告他並沒有一個你們這個沒有使用的數據啊那因為過去三年總共花了3169萬 |
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那該不會也有要求說要有那個滿意滿意度的報告那我現在我都沒有看到我想請問一下你們有沒有準備 |
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那個跟委員報告好那因為114年新世代智慧檢查AI的科技計畫現在目前在招標中所以第一季我們沒辦法還沒辦法提供這個數據因為你們這次的報告齁他只有在第三頁第三頁裡面只有半頁嘛但是已經花了三千他是花三千多萬的計畫所以我要了解一下他的他的滿意度到底是怎麼樣還有他的 |
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你只有說成功率是多少但是你並沒有告訴我大家使用的比例是多高我想這個也很重要因為我聽到很多檢察官說他覺得這不好用都不想用那當然我可以了解一個新的系統剛開始一定使用率不高但是你們有沒有去研究一下要怎麼樣讓檢察官使用率能夠變高謝謝韋瑜 |
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那這部分那個剛才委員關心的就是使用次數就使用率跟那個滿意度的這部分我們會做調查當然因為上一次是上一次是一個輔助系統那個比較不滿意大家的反應當然就委員有講的還要可以在優化的地方所以這一次的我們一個科技計畫就是在優化這樣處理那目前就是在研發的一個階段在招標研發導入人工智慧協助檢察官辦案或製作書類我絕對是 |
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完全支持的但是數據上面要給我那我們在預算上面我們當然只要是好的東西對檢查系統好的我一定都會支持啦但你數據給我那我們研究一下沒有問題我們這邊一定是一定會配合配合這個法務部的這個要求好嗎好謝謝 麻煩部長數據要給我那這樣好我請教一下那個因為總長很難得來嘛那我幫人民詢問總長還有 |
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局長幾個問題因為立法院的委員對於所謂的偵查不公開的範圍他們從來沒有研究偵查不公開作業辦法他都搞不懂所以我們在這裡很常遇到委員動不動說你幹嘛干涉個案你幹嘛破壞偵查不公開我想我也懶得跟這些委員去從法制面去討論 |
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我請教一下就是總長因為最近我們發現有檢察官他在偵辦個案的時候我們不談哪個地檢我們不談個案他把跟本案無關的證物一起帶回了而且是用扣押的方式帶回我先跟總長報告 |
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我自己在辦偵查案件的時候如果有一個東西我覺得奇怪但是他跟本案無關也不是違禁品也不是另案因扣押之物我絕對不會扣押我會請他帶著來跟我製作筆錄的時候問他這個東西是怎麼回事這是實務的做法我想總長一定很清楚但是我們在我們發現有檢察官把非本案的證物也不是違禁品也不是另案的證物把它扣回去了 |
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那這個跟我國的扣押制度完全不符但是到目前為止他都沒有給我們一個合理的說法那請問總長您認為我剛剛講的本案因扣押的證物他案因扣押的證物違禁品或因沒收之物這四種以外請問總長還有其他的扣押目的嗎據我們據我們了解他這個案子 |
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這個宜蘭地緣署已經發表這個新聞稿了嘛就是說他們是依照法院核發的不不不他沒有在搜索票內啊你不能在扯法院核發他如果有一些其他的物品他們也依規定來發款的嘛 |
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因為好 總長沒關係喔 但我在這邊跟總統報告一下喔就是說可能總統是不是在跟其他檢察官說明一件事就我剛剛講那四種得扣押之外 都屬於不得扣押之物 這是人民的權益嘛 |
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尤其你第一時間還出來發新聞稿說說沒有這件事就那天我是說那天晚上我電話被打爆了就是說東西沒有該怎麼辦事實上那個跟本案完全無關那當天局長也有說啊這個東西不應該出現在現場所以檢察官扣回去了解這個也不是屬於扣押得扣押的理由我們在這邊依法論法 |
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不能出現在現場的除非是違禁物你才可以扣回一份合法的公文不管目的是什麼不能扣回那我也跟局長報告以前實務的做法一定是請他帶著當事人帶在身上來做筆錄的時候說明說明完我們覺得合理我們就不會有任何做法這才是目前實務的作風而不是扣回去了 |
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然後又然後後來解封發還又不知道有沒有進行合理的程序這是請那個總長因為您是甲官的大家長教育訓練麻煩要做到要製造大家的困擾然後再來我那天有提到一個東西啦就是其實我那天有談到就是有幾位部長還有總統府副秘 |
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他們可能有涉犯刑法100那個選罷法104條的案子那我不知道局長你們那邊我那天說告發不知道局長那邊有沒有動作巴委員委員在上次會議的時候有指示那我們有現在目前正在收集這個相關的資料我也進到一個國人的義務那我這邊也在整理會診相關的資料我覺得可以提供那請我去做筆錄也可以所以我想這是一個 |
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我在講喔雖然說有人認為我在破壞司法威信但是其實我在拯救司法威信因為司法的平等原則以及司法獨立中立性以及一致性是我們法律人在追求的如果你今天的所作所為 |
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美麗島民調出來的那個數字不好看啊然後在最近也有很多訪問我有看了他們對於司法的中立性其實都打出問號的時候這時候我們更希望說有所補救來去讓人民能夠繼續的信任司法所以我再麻煩局長這部分該辦的還是要辦而且這幾位部長他們說的東西像譬如說洪森漢後來他也有來講說是口誤 |
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可是你要知道我現在在路上遇到那個霸團拿著麥克風在那邊高喊的他們引用就是這些部長說出來自稱口誤或什麼自稱是我引述的是去年12月的數據這些霸團在引用這個我不忍對那些霸團自稱為公民團體那些民眾我不忍去苛責他們 |
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因為他們就是聽這些部長那邊鬼扯蛋亂說話之後的東西拿出來講但是對於這些部長們該究責還是究責因為司法面前人人平等啊我們不分貧富貴賤啊該辦的就是要辦然後我也請問一下那這段時間啊像一百零那個 |
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我做違反104條這個假訊息的部分你們是不是也會用選舉查查來核分如果有查辦的話 |
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如果是跟那個選舉罷免有關的話我們都是在這個選舉查查的因為上次你有跟我講112年之後用的那一套核分制度每次在選舉的時候都會那其實謝國良他罷免案其實也應該是使用那個112年成立的新的制度但是你們沒有用所以你們沒有這麼做而且那天有跟委員報告你講的這一案當時沒有案地檢署沒有發查 |
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不是啦 這就更奇怪您在視訊會議這次有要求大家要趕快去辦這次的幽靈連署但是在謝國良那個案子 您當時又沒有人叫全國的調查官要這麼做所以這個就是司法給人家感覺的另外一個雙標所以我覺得司法就是前後沒有一致啦所以現在讓我一個感覺就是罷綠的就是槍斃 罷藍的都不斃 都沒事啦現在給我一個感覺 不會有這種狀況我們不分藍綠 |
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最近還有發生一件事情跟局長跟總長報告就是現在又有人在談那個簡訊的問題有很多地方都收到很多簡訊說請大家去罷免連署那這個部分請問你們有沒有開始去調查因為人民開始在質疑了那我不知道兩位有沒有在調查好吧 那沒有的話那我想跟各位報告一下 |
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雖然電信業者說這個是供企業商務使用但是什麼時候變成拿來可以做政治聯署使用這個企業上面要不要處罰NCC也不見了所以這是我一直覺得還是做任何事情都雙標然後那這些民眾他的資訊他的個資被拿去這樣使用你們有沒有去調查 |
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那有沒有用選舉查查來合分我不知道你們有沒有這麼做然後另外其實最近有很多人討論到霸統為什麼這麼有錢可以在有線電視花三分鐘四分鐘去拍播放一個廣告可以到處霸免戰到處什麼LED的車子然後到處激發這些傳單錢從哪裡來這也是國人的一個問號嘛 |
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那會不會是境外勢力送來的錢這個也是我們擔心的那尤其是罷免對國家安全是有影響的啊對整個社會的安定是有影響那為什麼好像也都不當一回事這個就是我個人覺得 |
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這就是一個雙標嘛那我不管怎麼樣我個性我就是忠於這個國家我不忠於任何一個政黨國家一定是放在我所屬的政黨之前我忠於這個國家所以是不是麻煩總長局長 |
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你們也要去查辦這個啊 至少你要告訴國人沒有違反個資法嘛你要有一個結論出來也可以 但是不能不查嘛那104條那個也要麻煩你們真的都要做到啦 不能很多事情遇到立場不同 狀況就不一樣那現在喔 因為新北 雙河 新店板橋 淡水 還有平鎮 龍潭 台中都有收到這個簡訊這不是沒有 這是一件已經存在的事實 好不好這部分 麻煩你們一定要做到 |
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然後最後我還是要再提醒一個啦一階的連署根本沒有違反那個選舉罷免法很多人講翁小林委員立了一個法砸自己的腳那個是對於法律完全不理解因為一階就沒有那個選罷法98之二的適用 |
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所以在沒有選罷法適用的情況下你們用選舉查核分這就是我原本不理解的一個地方第二個跟選舉有關的好像像你說不實訊息這幾位部長發布的不實訊息然後在罷免的活動上面這樣講這反而跟選罷法有關卻沒有人管再來局長你也知道您是國安站出來的 |
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資安等於國安那這些簡訊為什麼可以這樣發這個有沒有資安上的問題這應該是調查局非常重視的一件事啊那也都沒有查那我點出這東西其實我一直在講啦我就包括總長我也跟您報告不要說我在傷害司法的威信我是在我是希望能夠維護司法的尊嚴維護司法的威信 |
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司法的平等原則這個是最基本的所以當你在辦這一群人的時候大家質疑說為什麼只辦這一群人那是不是我們可以努力再平衡一下那當我提出事實的時候反而是說我在破壞司法威信為什麼點出事實呢是在破壞司法威信因為我今天喉嚨比較沒聲音那我就質詢到這邊謝謝吳宗憲委員你敢不敢講兩句啊那算假講 |
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因為境外勢力確實可以好好查一查 查出來剛好 |