| IVOD_ID |
161134 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161134 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T13:38:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T13:54:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1ae42befe85c4ffaabf088656e97d34035710b400f5dcf92418318873d924b4585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:38:15 - 13:54:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請衛生福利部部長就「長照2.0執行情形檢討及3.0未來規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部部長就「澳洲進口豬腳驗出含萊克多巴胺，如何加強肉品食安查驗，讓民眾放心」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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謝謝主席,有請部長還有署長 |
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這個昨天齁 中華民國養豬協會潘連週理事長在媒體上就這樣表示的齁說看完進口萊豬致敬14年 相對大多數證明對進口豬肉沒有興趣只有加工廠商會給予成本採購所以不用太擔心這個進口內臟豬腳會影響到國內豬肉只要政府嚴格把關並追查豬肉動向但如果是肉品內臟還是加工品都必須要做到產地標示避免有魚目混豬的情況也保障國內豬籠的權益部長對潘理事長的說法有什麼看法現在就是這樣在做好 現在就這樣做 |
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但是潘理事長還有這段話的一個重點就是政府要嚴格把關並追查豬肉動向我們到底有沒有嚴格把關 |
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因為他在表示一週內連續有三批萊豬進口不可能是包裝錯誤或是巧合畢竟所有的貨物進口都要經過檢驗、封櫃、然後報官那這一次一週就有兩次澳洲萊豬進來那代表澳洲端沒有確實檢驗這才是問題的所在所以目前台灣在邊境的把關萊豬抽驗已經過了這四年是不是開始有一些 |
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怎麼說束縛懈怠不然怎麼會有這種事情發生 |
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好 應該不會了是不是我請署長好 請署長 |
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所以因此在過去一路以來我們看到他的風險並都沒有查到所以他的確是從以前逐批查到後來是降到2到10%的一個查查的比例那2到10%查查比例那我們目前看到雖然這次的檢出值是0.01到0.003ppm |
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是小於我們的0.01的標準值但是剛才在先前委員會裡面委員們有一些些特別提醒我們要我們增加的我們剛才也有承諾說我們會讓國人更為安心把叉叉的比例往上提升這邊也跟委員特別做建議目前讓署長講得完整 |
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那如果是這個讓就是提高檢驗的這樣的一個量能嘛基本上應該要來嚇阻這些事情是應該是沒有多大的問題啦齁但是我現在用一個例子給你做參考齁那個時候你還沒有來當署長這家齁印度的Boss的香料與調味料 |
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這個公司在去年6月18日查出紅膠色素產品有蘇丹隆4號12月17號就是去年又被查到這個紅膠色素檢測出蘇丹隆1、2、4三個號然後今年2月11號又有辣椒油素質被檢出蘇丹隆2號跟4號這是幾點 |
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那去年2月27喔我們消息組的新聞稿寫得很清楚無論是邊境或後市場只要檢出蘇丹紅立即停止輸入查驗那簡單講就是說這家MOS公司在去年6月18被查驗後應該就立即停止輸入查驗為什麼它在12月還是在今年的2月11號都還可以持續進口 |
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這家BOSS公司一直在挑戰台灣的邊境茶葉如果說真的他來一次疏忽又被禁來了誰要負責 |
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這邊跟委員進一步報告這就是因為我們的邊境查驗的系統是智慧型的那它是不得檢出但是檢出了所以我們查驗比例不斷的挑高之後呢是百分之百它其實還沒到港口還沒有進入邊境我們的我們就知道這一家有進馬上就進去去做查查所以才有這個機會能夠這麼精準的把它再查到 |
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那因為進口商在做這件事情的時候他其實是我們在小署的部分是沒有辦法特別但是我們會予以輔導那因為輔導部分也很困難不在於本署的一個業務的能夠支持但是我們在邊境那決戰在境外的這樣子的心一定是不會改變的以上所以基本上你的意思就是說我們還是有一些防治防備防防制的機制存在但是這好像是廠家就是要跟你賭 |
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對不對 他就是在被堵嘛對 我們看到的情形是這樣的然後我們食藥署有這麼大的量能可以跟他對堵嗎我們跟委員報告我們的Border Protection Intelligence就是邊境的智慧茶茶的系統裡面對於這樣子的茶茶已經違規是不得檢出的它自然跳出來的就會變成百分之百只要這個廠家出來馬上就會是每一批 |
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因為報關的相關資料裡面我們就可以抓得到所以在這邊特別跟委員報告說我們已經在做所謂的精準抽驗上面已經有量能這樣的提升對國人的安全的努力現在這樣的場景為什麼不把它列作是一個黑名單對它就是黑名單就是我們知道它是黑名單但是我們就會去你覺得它是黑名單它還可以持續的這樣持續的報關來挑戰來跟你賭 |
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這在貿易的部分他們自由貿易的廠商的部分我覺得應該要有他們我覺得這應該要有個因應之道吧不能這個樣子嘛對不對你當然有相關的機制完備但是他還敢跟你賭那到底是我們有什麼調整的空間他連賭都不能賭就是他沒有提供安全足夠的這樣的品質保證的情況之下他都不需要賭了就是主角了啦 |
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也不用浪費這麼多的人力甚至於還有要用更進步的科技來做專業主角我覺得這應該是可以討論的吧謝謝委員我想這個部分我們一定帶回去看怎麼進一步可能不是單單在衛福部事要署這邊我們能夠在跨部會裡面做一些些溝通協調看怎麼能夠去努力一個月好不好問一下這個邊境一個月應該可以吧 |
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因為我們經生的問題我們經不起任何一次的疏忽嘛然後這廠家就是有就是慣性嘛對報告委員這邊其實剛才提到這家廠商真的是在今年1月24號之後我們有停止其輸入的查驗的是已經有這樣子的阻絕的動作今年的1月嘛有停止輸入的查驗嘛對不對是但是你在關稅的時候是今年的2月11號啊對所以 |
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在這種情形之下可能在時序上面呢還有讓他們有進來那我們也很因為我們有這個系統我們就有把他攬下來這時間沒有是正確的嘛對不對是的這時間沒有問題啊所以在1月已經有做了更完整的這樣的一個組決怎麼2月11號又發生了辣椒油素質蘇丹農2號跟4號 |
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對我們就回去我們直接來去跟跨部會裡面我們有機會能夠去做進一步的溝通再跟委員處報告所以這顯然還是有問題的存在啦還是有盲點啦一個月裡面提出我們相關的一些因應作為好我們來進一步的去研擬這是下部委例嘛因為實際上的問題我們就是不容許不容許農民百姓就是不容許我們卸貸啊 |
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我們就是更積極嘛 好不好 謝謝委員好 那第二件事情也是稍微排的 這個非常重要部長你看一下 署長你們請回頭台灣賣入超高齡社會大家都很清楚 65歲已經超過20%長照需求者的人數推估也將高達90萬人以上以因此2026的這個造福專員需求人率將達到造福需求人率 將達到這一個12萬但是你目前看 |
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這是往下墜的一個台灣居府人員的成長率從2020年7.79%2021年26%小數領就不再墜數了2022年7.9%2023年1.7%2024年來到1.3%居務員成長率這幾年低迷外我們台灣目前有5萬多的居府然後平均年齡都已經超過50歲未滿25歲才1800僅佔居府的3.6% |
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還是次長你們怎麼看到現在這個狀況這不僅是會有偏鄉老老照顧現在連居府也都是一樣老老居府的窘境怎麼處理怎麼因應次長非常感謝建國委員對於這個問題的關心我跟委員報告兩個重點第一個其實整個居府現在委員剛剛所說的是2020到2024他那個曲線確實是低但是請委員要注意106年我要注意什麼 |
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不不不 請委員你就順順講清楚我會非常注意請委員那個那個圖表再貼回去來沒有啦 了解就是說我們從剛開辦的時候 他的曲線是這樣上去的是啊所以我們從剛開始的時候是2.5萬現在是10萬嘛所以現金是4倍所以他的曲線是這樣現在有人說說說說 沒錯 是5年 |
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現在也許現在到目前為止現在是目前有點就比較平但是這個部分我們也這個市場就是前幾年長照2.0在推的時候前8年也成長非常非常非常迅速最近這幾年是有點比較平滑但是第二點我們現在目前我也同意整個居福原它的平均年齡確實也偏高所以我們現在目前 |
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也希望能夠在這個部分能夠多能夠來來來多推動跟這一個學校學校端這邊的一個合作來來來加強這邊的這一根年輕化當然最重要的還是薪資啦沒錯啦好了好你已經提出問題的所在嘛對不對通常要是薪資嘛所以兩個問題你都講了嘛那第一個問題我們會注意嘛你要注意那個你要把高峰的曲線不要弄出來 |
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你不要因為低的才弄出來你要注意一點好不好第二點你就特別提到嘛這個年齡的問題嘛然後再來最主要還是薪資的問題長照長照大家都非常清楚一年的時候平均其實我們都我們都說的比較比較比較和緩一些的說成就還有還有50億沒啦沒這麼多啦 |
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其實拜託市長回去可能要再精算一下1.0之前平均1.0才真正的有付出的是多少錢這第一第二長照2.0從小英上來之後隔年的長照基金長照福華等等陸續推動我們從50來億應該是40 50億變成320億一直到現在800多要進入900多了對不對 |
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那將近8年 將近8年的長照相關的幾支戶 通通沒有調整這比較有道理 八個黨都沒有人調整你調整什麼 你說我聽因為次長你自己提到薪資的問題嘛 對不對你看喔 小英3年以來 台灣聚力工資每年調漲這個表格各位可以看一下嘛一英文的時候 時薪是1220調到126 |
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然後106的時候月薪從20008調到2019一直到114年的一列以後已經來到28590甚至於這個時薪已經調到190了長照怎麼會相關的幾支戶到現在8年連一個微調通通沒有 |
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這太過頭注意你就要特別注意這個事情啊你可以注意到曲線你怎麼不曉得你那個長照幾十或八年那個曲線是平的 |
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是平的 一定不會動你叫我注意管的因為我注意雞肋的 港肋的嘛你要叫我注意管的 那個白白白你知不知道部長是醫師嘛 很清楚到醫院有讀我看到一個數據是白白白代表什麼你知道嗎早我已經說了嘛所以要注意嘛白白白你注意嘛 已經不會有啊 |
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對不對現在要怎麼處理注意怎麼會把你完全都沒有動然後我們現在又針對喔衛部又針對長照3.0將讓入什麼有三項嘛第一經醫師診斷危老狀況且是能影響到日常生活第二經醫師診斷為癌末 |
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然後預期壽命低於六個月的私人病患那我們現在在第三項是符合前述條件且符合勞動力中階啦這個技術人力的取得永久居留權的外籍專業人士我們要擴大這個對象嘛對不對我們在擴大對象但我們一直不提升相關的給支付你怎麼有人你怎麼補起來 |
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你從很多的面向去處理 要讓更多的這個造福人力長照機構人力 我知道都有在做但是你的誘因在什麼地方 你的鼓勵在什麼地方處長都說是了 你叫他去注意啊我以後自己會好好注意啦 |
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非常佩服委員長期以來對這個問題的關心我相信真的是確實誠如委員剛才所說的我想這個需求要再提高長照其實最重要的就是人力 |
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因為我們也知道人力成本佔百分之六十嘛所以這個部分我們現在目前會根據我們的那個組合長照照顧組合的機制來做一個相關的一個成本效益分析但是我們現在是這樣啦簡單來講就是說業者應該自己的經驗應該最了解裡面的成本的那個結構所以你只要業者那邊拿出來大家都可以來探討嘛注意 |
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人家早早就已經提出來了市民們沒有注意到啦報告委員我們也跟這個居民這邊有跟他們拜託但他們說請他們提出但是他們到目前為止其實是不會的啦那我就會特別注意居民到底在做什麼是不是沒關係他們沒有提出啦我會注意他們為什麼沒有提出之後來跟你回報 |
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929.437 |
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但是他們如果有提出那就要換你注意了對 沒錯我要提到一點喔我們 我剛才特別用那個就是基本工資來看待整個這個成長嘛那你怎麼可能會成照相關的幾支或標準照理講你也應該參考嘛 評估嘛就像可以依照基本工資啦還是勞健保費率啦 物價指數來做微調嘛即便居如沒有提出來至少還是可以來做嘛因為你剛剛特別提到的兩個點的中間的一個點薪資問題嘛 |
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931.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
956.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
所以不是只有居府 長照機構的人員基本上都是如此嘛所以是整體來做這個面向來做調查 來做相關的這些可以依據的參考我們應該 時間到了啦 要進到3.0之前就應該來做調整啦好不好 不然這樣等嘛好不好 會啦 你們來注意齁謝謝部長 一起注意 一個月內 |
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957.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
960.603 |
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我們把這個注意事情處理完成 好不好好 謝謝 謝謝大家的注意 |