| IVOD_ID |
161117 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161117 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T12:33:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T12:42:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c17ad41dcec0ba641ee0059966c803d0e9567847e18f9cb5870630bd2d7ebc433a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:23 - 12:42:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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主席我請總裁總裁請市委員早姚總裁早早 |
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我講給你講,你有沒有困難?沒有啊,沒困難啊,沒困難啊你不是用台語,人就不會這樣啊?沒有啦,我幫你報告啦事實上啊,我國語沒講得很認頓,我的台語也沒講得很認頓啊因為齁,我們的腔調齁,台南的腔調跟我們的腔調又不大一樣你德文?我屏東 |
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畢竟雞皮疙瘩一樣沒有啦 還有少許沒什麼感情我今天沒什麼感情兩件事要來跟你討論好嗎好 哪裡哪裡好你行嗎好 哪裡我們古早人說的 水不寒 霧雨滴 雙撇水不燃 霧雨滴 滾煮所以看你在印度的過程中 我感覺你擔當很多啦所以我是很欠佩你謝謝當然有我顧你的啦 |
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五個的報告你可以做一些說明這沒問題台灣的利益跟美國的利益衝突的時候請教你 你會站在什麼人的利益當然啊 都是我們的利益啊我們的利益 是什麼人的利益全民的利益啊好全民的利益我今天就基金跟法律你可以報告說 基金 |
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不應該有外匯,不是說不應該,是說外匯絕對不能無所謂給你們提供的嘛是是是,對啦對啦,沒有不對啦那這樣就是說,這次的談判,其實是我們的老總統因為他看美國人一直找不問路,最後,最後,美國的工資 |
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如果要求無息不要說一百年 五十年 或者是三十年 二十年只要是沒理息要求我們高級的公司把它退換過來 |
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這個我選的時候 你如何面對我跟委員報告 基本上你不要說 你如何面對你這是假設議題啦不是假設喔不不不 我要再跟你報告因為你的立場 美國的財政部啦你的立場很清楚就是 外匯不能無雙使用所以我認為你很好啊所以 如果是這樣 |
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總統要求無線告白美國的工程,你是要選擇下台還是選擇尊重?我跟委員報告 |
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我敢說總統不會有這種要求你有比我更了解他?你讓他更了解,我看那是另外一個議題我告訴你,你問單純出家長,我告訴你,總統就是有可能這樣做嘛 |
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空氣不來風啦這基金啦其實不在於台灣啦台灣錢很多 台灣錢比較少但是監督的機制如果沒有出來這八檔的外商高級 我跟你講 像太陽能光電這樣游到整個燈去 綠油油的出來這是專民 不能忍受的好 來 給你就是這個法律啦 對很困難 我很多這裡的中小企業 我過去也做過 是是是 |
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這半的高趴 坦白說在我揮擦 揮過頭面不用講忍耐 大家可以渡過渡過之後當然你有你的內部 你有你的盤算但是關稅大概就是25%啦企業對美國這個賣壓來說收到的應該差不多是一人一半啦所以吸收一半12.5% 恆恆你這個9.5%就可以大分 率先加算了 |
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企業的危難就是說我可以不談我百四五十年了我三台車沒問題啊但是我請外的員工一個員工一個家庭我不能讓失業現在企業的煩惱是這個社會責任跟社會得益加上流行失業的問題OK來 現在我請教你很嚴肅的很多企業叫我說一定要怎樣因為大家在問的都這樣沒重要是這個 |
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因為他所有的頂端 整個年底就說你今天如果可以做一個保證這樣他們到明年第一季所有的頂端 他可以去安排他的風險要怎麼來拼所以我正式在這裡跟你請教一個問題到今年12月底 12月30日以前 新代表29口本你收得到嗎 |
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非常簡單的問題對啦 我說匯率它是有升有貶啦我知道啦 因為你這個答案 我沒有給你為難喔是是是我沒有給你為難 因為你今天這個答案出來 他們能夠到明年第一季他知道他要怎麼拚不用風險 這樣台灣能夠往來十個月 |
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不過不然我跟委員報告事實上到現在30塊已經有很多...你不要要求很多人 總裁啊 你跟總裁請教一下你對以前29號沒有收的到嗎這個我要跟委員報告這個我沒有辦法回答你 |
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我們這裡所有的黨主席,可以你跟我說的話我已經忘了十二月三十一疫情,由總裁說二十九個月,代表二十九個月他不一定收得到,他如果收不到了,他現在也沒辦法保證我沒有說我收得到收不到了,我只是說你這個問題我沒辦法跟你回答 |
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我沒有說我收不收不收,這是兩回事,這個是兩回事所以這兩天你講的一個問題,就是有機的心理,所以不一定是馬祖豪,要自己手上手來我會拋喔我會再給他回顧 |
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你一直在這裏著墨這個匯率你是立法委員的大員所以你一直在這裏說話會影響市場的預期所以我告訴你不要在這個時候一直在著墨 |
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今天我告訴你200元就會有議席今天是對30元到29元不然你還要請求這個國務卿來代你講20元給人家 你講19元給人家 要不要收工 |
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總裁沒有說過29個月跟200個月會一樣的所以正式的答案就是29個月他收不掉沒有 我沒有這樣說沒有 我沒有這個意思 |
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你沒有這個意思 你說台灣外交有兩種藝術所以我要慎重跟委員來討論在國會議場討論匯率比較serious |
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這要謹慎 謹慎要節制我們都知道 這事情我們都知道我們當然關心但是你現在在說的時候 我不是說你關心一定會害他 |
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所以我跟你們說的就是29個月你一定收不掉OK 謝謝我沒有這個意思 |
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謝委員龍介：（12時33分）主席，請總裁。 |
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主席：總裁請。 |
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楊總裁金龍：謝委員早。 |
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謝委員龍介：楊總裁早。 |
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楊總裁金龍：早。 |
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謝委員龍介：我講河洛語，你有困難嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有困難。 |
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謝委員龍介：你不會用臺語回答啊！那就不會這樣了。 |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，我跟你報告，事實上，我的國語不是很輪轉，但是我的臺語也不是很輪轉。 |
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謝委員龍介：你說的國語跟我一樣。 |
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楊總裁金龍：因為你們臺南的腔調跟我們的腔調又不大一樣。 |
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謝委員龍介：你是哪裡人？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我是屏東人。 |
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謝委員龍介：屏東就在隔壁，一樣啦！ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，還是有些不一樣。 |
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謝委員龍介：我今天有2件事情要就教你。 |
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楊總裁金龍：哪裡！哪裡！ |
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謝委員龍介：你辛苦了！古人說「水不寒，不易得傷病；事不難，不易得君子」，從你的應對過程裡，我覺得你承擔了很多事情，所以我很欽佩你。 |
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楊總裁金龍：謝謝。 |
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謝委員龍介：當然，五界八道說的，你也知道，你也有做一些說明，這個沒有問題，當臺灣的利益和美國的利益相衝突的時候，請教你，你會站在哪一方的利益上？ |
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楊總裁金龍：當然是我方的利益。 |
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謝委員龍介：我方的利益是誰的利益？ |
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楊總裁金龍：全民的利益。 |
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謝委員龍介：好，那我今天就要就基金和匯率來請教你，早上你的報告是說，基金不應該由外匯存底……也不是說不應該啦！是外匯存底不能無償給你們拿去用，對不對？ |
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楊總裁金龍：對，沒有錯。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以這一次的談判或是賴總統，因為他和美國人一直找不到出路，如果最後他們要求美國公債無息，也不用說100年，就50年、30年或20年沒有利息，如果他們要求我們到期的公債要兌換成無息公債，當這種事情發生時，你要如何面對？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟委員報告，基本上…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒有，你要如何面對？ |
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楊總裁金龍：你這是假設性的議題。 |
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謝委員龍介：不是假設的。 |
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楊總裁金龍：不，我跟你報告，因為美國財政部…… |
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謝委員龍介：你的立場很清楚，就是外匯存底不能無償撥用，我認為你做得很好。如果是這樣，如果總統要求你無息購買美國公債時，你要選擇下臺還是選擇順從？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟委員報告，我敢說總統不會做這樣的要求。 |
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謝委員龍介：你有比我更瞭解他嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：你比較瞭解他是另外一個議題。 |
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謝委員龍介：我跟你說，你問陳淑姿主計長，總統就是有可能這樣做，空穴不來風，這是第一點。第二點，其實這個基金不缺財源，臺灣錢很多，「臺灣錢，淹跤目」，但是監督的機制如果沒有出來，那這8年的官商勾結就會像太陽能光電那樣全部都到綠油油的手中，這是全民都無法忍受的。 |
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楊總裁金龍：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：第二是匯率，現在大環境很困難，過去我也是做外銷的，坦白講，這次升值9%在我結匯的過程中，我勉強還可以忍耐，大家都可以渡過，但是渡過之後，當然，你有你的內線和盤算，但是關稅大概就是25%，企業從美國所收到的利潤差不多就是一人一半，所以吸收一半後就只剩下12.5%，但是你匯率一下子就升值9.5%，說實在的，這會讓他們雪上加霜。企業為難的是，我可以不賺錢，因為我已經努力了四、五十年，我吃三代都沒有問題，但是我有上千名的員工，一個員工一個家庭，我不能讓他們失業。現在企業煩惱的是社會責任、社會道義和勞工失業的問題。 |
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OK！來，我現在請教你，這個問題很嚴肅，很多企業都叫我一定要問你，因為大家問的那些都不重要，實質的，因為他們到年底的所有訂單，只要你今天能夠做出保證，那他們到明年第一季所有的訂單，他們就能夠去安排要如何避免風險，所以我在這裡要正式地跟你請教一個問題，到今年12月31日之前，新臺幣29.5元你守得住嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：前面…… |
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謝委員龍介：這是很簡單的問題。 |
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楊總裁金龍：對啦！匯率有升有貶…… |
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謝委員龍介：我知道，總裁，我沒有要為難你。 |
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楊總裁金龍：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：因為今天你這個答案一出來，明年第一季前的訂單就能夠顧到，他們就知道要如何避免風險，這樣臺灣就能夠換來10個月的安定哦！ |
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楊總裁金龍：不過我要跟委員報告，事實上，現在30元，以前很多時間都在三十多元。 |
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謝委員龍介：沒有，他們沒有要求很多，總裁，他們請我跟總裁請教一下，年底以前29.5元守得住嗎？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我要跟委員報告，這個我沒辦法回答你。 |
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謝委員龍介：啊！慘！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我沒辦法回答你。 |
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謝委員龍介：在場所有的董事長，早上你們跟我講的，我已經問完了，楊總裁說12月31日以前新臺幣29.5元他不一定守得住，如果他守不住，他現在也沒有辦法保證，這事情大條了。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我沒有說我守不守得住，我是說你這個問題我沒辦法回答，這是兩回事。 |
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謝委員龍介：29.5塊欸！不是啦！總裁，你可知道這兩天你提了一個問題很對？就是有預期心理。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我跟委員講…… |
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謝委員龍介：所以不一定是外資喔！我們自己廠商手裡的也會拋售喔！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我再向委員報告，對於你一直在這裡著墨匯率，由於你是立法委員的大員，所以你在這裡講的會影響市場預期。 |
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謝委員龍介：是啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：所以我才說你不宜這個時候一直在這邊著墨。 |
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謝委員龍介：不！你這樣講不好、我不認同。 |
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楊總裁金龍：我國匯率…… |
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謝委員龍介：你聽我講。如果我今天是跟你談28塊，就會有預期，但今天我是問從30塊到29.5塊，企業就是從這5角裡面緩衝欸！ |
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楊總裁金龍：你說28塊跟29.5塊不是一樣？ |
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謝委員龍介：不同。 |
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楊總裁金龍：相同。 |
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謝委員龍介：總裁，不同喔！29.5塊跟28塊怎麼會相同呢？正式的答案就是29.5塊他守不住！變成這樣了嘛！ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有！我沒有這麼說。 |
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謝委員龍介：你就是這樣…… |
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楊總裁金龍：不！那是你的臆測啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：你就是沒辦法保證守住29.5塊啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：沒有，我沒有這個意思。 |
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謝委員龍介：你沒有這個意思，那你又說出……臺灣話難道有兩種意思？ |
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楊總裁金龍：不，我沒這個意思。我要慎重向委員…… |
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謝委員龍介：現在要慎重？那你用國語講。我們現在用國語講，你認為29.5塊扛不住？ |
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楊總裁金龍：我是說不必要談論，在國會議場談論匯率比較serious，要謹慎、要節制。 |
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謝委員龍介：不是喔！你不知道，廠商可能因為2%、3%，從賺錢變成賠錢欸！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們都知道，這樣的事情我們都知道。委員，你這樣…… |
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謝委員龍介：你們沒有關心這些百姓啊！ |
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楊總裁金龍：我們當然關心！ |
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謝委員龍介：你要隨他們死活？ |
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楊總裁金龍：你在這邊講，我認為是關心他反而等於害他。 |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
謝委員龍介：不是喔！今天你這樣講，他們明天就賣了喔！今天你這樣講，民間明天就把手上的賣了喔！所以我在跟你講的就是29.5塊你確定守不住。OK，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
楊總裁金龍：我沒這個意思。 |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
主席：謝謝謝委員的質詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[81][1] |
蔡易餘、蔡易餘，蔡易餘委員不在。 |
| gazette.blocks[81][2] |
請陳玉珍委員質詢。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
364 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
李彥秀 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
涂權吉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
287 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-05-08 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1144701 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1144701_00007 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會
劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中
央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1144701_00006 |