| IVOD_ID |
161106 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161106 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T11:56:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T12:07:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1007053c8950cd614e0059966c803d0e9567847e18f9cb5876365cf59414950575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:56:53 - 12:07:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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我一向認為央行有兩個特權第一 說謊第二 插手會試 |
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為什麼很簡單維持匯率的穩定對於我們是以出口為導向的國家而言那太重要了我們出口的金額佔我們台灣的出口佔整個GDP的60.82我們很清楚 |
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數十年來我們台灣就是出口導向的國家因為我們台灣沒有天然資源嘛我們沒有油沒有煤沒有稀土金屬我們靠的就是我們台灣人的智慧努力勤勞所以我們這樣子加工製造出口那這是正確的事情啊所以央行來保護 |
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這個匯市的穩定是正確的所以我認為在這一個部分啦那美國當然他是提啦美國就是說希望這些貿易夥伴不要藉著匯率政策來從事不公平貿易但是他祭出三個標準而這三個標準要通通達到 |
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才叫做他們所謂的他叫做我們是操縱匯率國所以他才要用高關稅來懲罰但是這三個這是我今天要請教你的第一項我們沒話講他說貿易順差在200億美元這個我們沒話講他說第二點說巨額的經常性 |
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經常漲的順差他說順差金額高過GDP的3%這個部分我們現在也超過了這個我是沒話講但是第三點我們這個淨值的部分我們不是都整天都在買匯每天都在買匯我們是為了匯率的穩定我們往往也賣匯不是嗎所以在這一個部分我認為淨額的部分這個 |
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我覺得我們努力而且有操作的空間之下所以我認為我們不必不必為美國之命侍從因為他訂了三項的標準那我們在這當中當然我們要為我們全民為我們國家的生計著想所以我認為第三點我想第三點 |
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這個我們重複進外匯這個部分我們有超過嗎就我知道這樣是沒有嘛不是嗎委員分析的非常正確就是說因為我們第一項第二項我們長期以來我們就都是超過了那第三項的這個部分呢你剛剛也講到就是說事實上中央銀行呢前一陣子都是在賣匯 |
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現在因為你也強調是進額 他也是強調進額 沒有錯所以也就是說中央銀行也不是說遵守因為我們也有我們的mandate 我們也有我們的職責所以剛剛委員做這樣的分析確實是沒有錯的 是沒有錯的 |
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所以我是希望說中央銀行現在的首要任務就是要頂住頂住各方的壓力頂住各方的譴責罵聲我覺得就是簡單講中央銀行繼續做 |
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過去幾十年來你們該做的你們該做的那個委員分析的是沒有錯啦好不好我們會接受你的建議也就是我剛剛說的那兩項那兩項你該做 |
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就是要去做第二點對於說這個主權基金的事情我的看法導致認為我認為啦我們有這麼龐大5838億的外匯存底那麼其實 |
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如果要設主權基金我們當然用外匯存體這是理所當然只是我非常同意說外匯存體不能無償撥用而且也應該先立專法 |
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所以這一個部分我不曉得你的看法怎麼樣因為你的看法還是認為說這個是不是財政部國外的例子說財政部申去發債券那由財政部再來撥款那你的看法呢 |
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是 我覺得委員你所分析的跟我們的報告應該是幾乎是差不多這個同樣的意見啦事實上你的分析是沒有錯的啦是沒有錯的用外匯存底來成立這是正確的這是正確的事情你看像我們鄰近的國家 韓國 馬來西亞 香港 |
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他們都是 除了中國以外他們馬來西亞 香港 韓國不但用外匯存底而且他們這個組織機構他們這幾年來他們的操作都很成功更何況我們外匯存底因為為了安全跟穩定而言我們那個資息其實不高啦我們平均大概2.6%嘛那你看這幾個國家你看人家連香港喔 |
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連香港他獲利都大概5.8%左右5.8%左右你看在我這一份的說明這是引用經濟日報香港他們這20年期間竟然都可以維持5.8%的報酬率等於是我們這個 |
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外匯存底平均支息的兩倍以上所以這個部分我希望說我們央行就堅持住這一點就是堅持不要無常包容就好但是要由外匯存底來這個成立這個國家發展基金那至於組折機關 |
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提了這四個機關我不是認為說那兩個機關就不好不是啦另外那兩個機關齁其實有他們努力的地方但是我認為由央行或者財政部來做組織機關這個比較精準啦比較精準因為畢竟國發會 |
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跟這個經濟部他們有時候思考必須比較活躍也會比較跳躍式啦但是在這個主權基金這個部分的維護管理控制的部分我還是認為要央行跟財政部 |
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但是我看到你們兩央郎跟財政部的報告裡面你們兩個都推來推去都好像互相都不太願意所以這個部分總裁你看法呢事實上委員的這個過想事實上跟我們裡面好像是沒有講得很清楚我們意思就是說事實上你成立了主權基金的時候你上面會有一個board |
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有一個Board有一個就是說是就像董事會或理事會那在這裡面呢中央銀行會介入中央銀行會參與會參與那其他部會其他的部會也可以參與 |
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所以你就說那個財政部事實上財政部也要參與啊莊銀行也不容辭我們也可以在這個部裡面我們也可以參與那這樣的意思誰來主導那這個就說對對對所以這個就問題就在這裡也就是說就我們的立場來看的話呢就主權基金這是政府的 |
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那政府的中央銀行是可以參與但是我們應該就是說是應該是由政府自己來那個那我們來參與 |
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他是由他來主掌中央銀行就是政府的一個重大部門耶中央銀行不能置外於政府所以政府來主導啊是他政府的哪一個單位中央銀行主責還是財政部那這個就由行政院來決定了行政院決定所以行政院怎麼決定總裁你這邊跟財政部這邊就怎麼接受 |
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對啊 應該是啊應該是這樣 可是我希望說在這個部分 既然外匯存底是由央行來主導 主控那我希望央行在這個部分能夠更主動一點當然財政部也有很多這一部分的專業的人才但是所以啊 我推崇財政部跟央行但是互相就不要 |
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這麼客氣啦 不要互相推來推去啦 好嗎那外匯的部分 我希望你堅持到底好不好好 委員的建議非常好 謝謝你 |