| IVOD_ID |
161105 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161105 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T11:45:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T11:56:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1fd39770ff88fe6a3e0059966c803d0e997e39277836b040fc9653d96d06e67c15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:47 - 11:56:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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現在主席先請總裁總裁請 |
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我想這兩天大家對台幣的匯率都非常的關心你也講了非常多的話它的升值快速到沒有辦法承擔的原因是它升太快你可以同意嗎因為短短幾天大幅升值的狀況然後沒有看到央行出手所以大家對央行有一些疑慮我想問一下原因找到了沒 |
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我們也沒有就是說沒有出手啦是有啦原因找到了沒原因就主要的還是就是說他的預計是太強了然後美國沒有施壓嘛然後台灣央行也沒有介入嘛答案是這樣是嗎 |
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所有的沒有介入 你的意思是說我們沒有適度調節嗎我們沒有調節嗎有啊 有啊 我們沒有調節我沒有施壓 這個我一直在澄清所以總裁我可以說30塊現在守住了嗎匯率呢 我只能跟委員報告就是說匯率有升有貶 但目前是供需我可以說30塊叫做 |
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楊金龍防線沒有也不會所以長期會怎樣你的判斷是什麼匯率還是供需決定有升有貶升的時候全世界都知道川普在玩關稅遊戲關稅遊戲這個玩下去你覺得長期會怎麼樣 |
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我覺得美國他有很多的金融工具他有關稅 他有美元 他最大的還有買債所以我才會說現在目前他是已經針對關稅來所以沒有報費率的問題沒有 沒有 |
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你認為他沒有弄匯率的問題沒有沒有總裁很簡單我想問個簡單的問題是在台美貿易談判正在如火如荼的進行中你覺得匯率會不會是貿易談判的一個障礙或者是該不該在裡面不會不會 |
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那你認為台美之間匯率不是問題也不是貿易障礙的壁壘也沒有任何問題所以不需要跟美國談我跟委員報告就是說剛好就是這個關稅 |
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我跟委員報告啦我們一直在強調就是說 |
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我們跟美國財政部的溝通你們跟美國財政部的溝通很好但是跟美國貿易代表處的溝通不怎麼好我們談我跟委員報告這個他每年都是會兩次固定兩次我知道啦現在你們很厲害但是我說現在台美貿易談判對我個人來說我認為不可能不談 |
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也必然會提到只是有沒有公開如果真的要當成我們談判的籌碼之一可以但是要讓國人安心就算是要犧牲掉匯率也要讓國人清理得很好所以我們希望維持台幣的穩定至少讓國人知道它的趨勢跟將來應該怎麼樣的避險 |
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台幣動態穩定才是國人安心的保障第二個部分現在台幣升值有很多人受損出口商但是有幾個人應該很高興的就是進口商尤其是我們最高興的應該是幾家國營事業吧我們台電中油買的東西都是用 |
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新台幣換美金去買這樣的話他們的虧損是不是可以減少一點對啦也沒有錯所以他會不會是你在匯率調整時候你們出手的好幫手啊變成你的互惠國家隊 |
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因為他如果繼續換美金的話他也許可以幫你穩定一些台幣的匯率因為他一年買兩千億的天然氣啊對啦就是說如果說需求跟總裁我的意思是說當匯率在調整的時候我們有人受害有人受賄受賄的產業如果是國營事業他應該要成為他將來他也可能有一天貶值的時候他要花更多的錢去買美金一樣的他應該要做避險 |
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這也是我覺得央行跟整個政府團隊都應該要好好一起來規劃在這個升值跟貶值的過程中我們的國營事業既然在這中間有受到衝擊也有受到優惠這些東西應該是總裁應該考慮找他們當你的互惠國家隊 |
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他拿去幫你多買點美金你就不用花那麼多錢那個委員是這個建議是非常好啦是他們現在油價要跌啦台電的虧損可能也會彌補啦好接下去我們重點是我希望 |
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如果長期的穩定台幣不管它是多少錢都應該很清楚在過程裡面讓所有的廠商有時間去適應甚至有時間政府的補貼可以到位否則像這樣一天兩天就突然急升的情況下我覺得央行還是必須要不管人家要不要罵你出手該有匯率你還是要有一定的作為 |
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否則會讓大家擔心說就看著他生然後全世界都知道在生但是我們自己沒有任何一點就看看他在生事實上我們也有適當的感覺你有動啦但是沒人看到大家就覺得是不是你沒動好我還是希望不要變成是被質疑或被讓大家自己去面對這件事情很重要接下來我們有請國發會的 |
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主權基金是民眾黨的政見而且在上個會期我們提出法案上一屆吳欣怡委員也提出法案所以現在突然間本來 |
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行政院給我們的答案就是我們已經有了然後央行繼續把外匯存體委員會投資比例提高就好了而且國發基金跟台商公司也有了怎麼現在又冒出來支持所謂的主權基金我想問一下就是百年大計還是現在只是應付立法院或者是應付關稅的緩兵之計 |
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我想那個院長其實他在院長是隨口說說嗎不是他是說衡量現在國家的財力今年1月你給我的報告還是沒有必要 |
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應該是說其實這個議題我們一直都有在演繹當中所以三四個月突然間大變化沒有是因為因為現在的國家的財力產業發展還有國際有需要了突然間變得有需要也不是就是卓院長因為其實也是因應另外一個立法委員他在質詢的時候那卓院長其實有說我實施了一年了也沒有聽到你們正確的回答好直接在那個等一下總裁我們民眾黨的版本是主權基金運用 |
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所謂的你的外匯存底我知道你一直抵死不從但是外匯存底裡面我們的版本是大概抓10%也就是500多億請問總裁從你的理解裡面你認為主權基金它應該有的規模大概是多少這個我沒有辦法回答你們預計的規模是多少國發會呢 |
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目前 如果前十大的話 如果前十大的話大概都會有大概有幾千億不過他們每個組員已經開始的時候我們有五百億的話大概排名第三十名啦但是以你們之前告訴我說台山公司的部分他只有四百億台幣啦 |
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因為台山基金不是家族權基金的所以我的意思是說你們之前跟我說台山已經有啦我怕今天也有啦其實如果我們要救資金的來源的確要利益專法所以我希望我們民眾黨的版本我們希望跟你們討論我們放在中央銀行法裡面修因為我們認為專法就叫做患不自已而且專法可能就是以拖待變的藉口 |
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中央銀行不想要自己管但是借他的錢沒意見但是借他的錢拿出來用的話他要有償嘛 總裁要有償嘛 不可以無償借用嘛你要有償 那請問如果我們真的要撥這些錢出來的話國發會還有央行你們對這筆錢要用舉債的方式發債嗎 |
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對啦 我們要發債來跟你借錢就對了那個就是說他因為主權財經財是分五的規模多少規模多少基金撥用的方式基金還款的方式你們有答案了嗎國發會央行總裁已經講了啦他不會無償借你錢啦你是要發債嗎 |
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委員其實各界還有不同的想法跟看法所以你們只是隨口說說我們要凝聚社會的共識那我們社會的共識我們這個版本已經提出來三四年了很多的內容都已經公開很久了可以參考我們的版本可以討論但是之前說不行的理由現在不存在了就以後不要再拿出來鬼扯了好嗎是因為其實也 |
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情勢變了所以主權基金是政府考慮的內容但是不能去否定大家對於主權基金這樣子的規劃我們會集各界的意見我們來通盤考量所以我還是講這是百年大計不要做成緩兵之計也就是說主權基金是一個國家長期發展很重要的 |
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好 謝謝 |