| IVOD_ID |
161091 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161091 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T09:58:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:08:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c15a8f523232157d80ebbe9609d4ca098397e39277836b040fa478bf4b7292ce505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:58:20 - 10:08:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部及教育部就「人本交通」及「交通安全」施行狀況進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計2案。） |
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行政院怎麼可以說話不算話出爾反爾欺負欺騙我們嘉義人 |
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行政院長我看你打醒的時候你也站在旁邊啊你們兩個很清楚的表達嘉義爭取多年這個輕軌工程會三百七十幾億中央是要承擔的我們嘉義市政府跟嘉義都已經在慶祝了你怎麼可以再怎麼可以把話都說回去呢你看不起我們嘉義人嗎 |
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報告委員絕對不會看不起嘉義人不是只有行政院長卓榮泰明確對大家宣布耶我看你就要站在旁邊嘛對不對那表示該做啊我們爭取這麼久那你也明確宣布啦報告委員我昨天也很明確的說明了當時我們我先給你看來來當天的質詢狀況是什麼你看你站在旁邊喔時間請暫停一下沒有動的 |
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沙輪之間 還有機場線那些其實都是中央組織來興建的齁把嘉義縣市排除在外 有點不公平是不是可以請你們再努力做一個討論辦法然後研議呢有一個徵集喔 這個工程款是374億如果中央可以負擔的話 是工程款本身的374億地方只負責用地會用的0.66億跟嘉義縣的0.94億 |
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好 保定 |
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院長清清楚楚講 你是交通部長 你要站在旁邊啊這句話 不是只有嘉義市人看到的 全國都看到的啊怎麼可以再撬回去呢可以反悔呢 這是公開的打自己的這個嘴巴第二個沒有 更重要 更重要院長說真正的癥結卡在哪裡他說用地啊 |
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嘉義縣跟嘉義市政府都講了我們願意承擔這個費用吧一個0.66一個0.6億一個0.9億我們都承擔啊那問題就解決啊更重要的來我們來看你是台中人嘛台中嘛台中的那個捷運綠線什麼樣出現的報告委員地方出比較多中央出比較少中央你要看看喔我統計給你看來所有高鐵的另外的道路 |
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不管是鐵路 後來這個捷運都是中央出的錢啊你怎麼可以漏掉 漏掉 漏掉嘉義嘉義縣市咧嘉義縣市可不可以省錢報告委員台鐵當然是中央但如果是輕軌跟捷運系統都是中央支持地方來興辦 |
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那個基捷是不是基捷除外基捷是為了機場基捷除外其他的你像台中基捷為什麼要除外因為它是重大工程對不對那是因為國家門戶國家門戶啊嘉義縣市這不重要嗎嘉義縣市很重要啊很重要那你就告訴我為什麼要獨落我們委員您剛剛所提到的台中綠線地方出的錢也比中央更多啊 |
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是吧然後台北的捷運台北的捷運串接到台北火車站也就是跟高鐵站串接的地方捷運系統也是地方出比較多全國都是一線的單純是地方的像嘉義市也有規劃以後還有幾條輕軌對不對那個地方我們自己來付他說橫跨嘉義縣市而且是一個國家重要的 |
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那就是應該比照這個季節來做嘛我再給你看一個台北的體育運用跨縣市不是嗎部長我當然也跨縣市等一下我說比照季節來做第二個我給你看一個公文94年的公文我先問你現在嘉義輕軌還沒做現在有BRT對不對 |
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當初BRT的錢是誰出的 誰去建的高通伯瑪 剛管境外企業負責的高通伯瑪對不對BRT是當初是中央做啊 交通部做啊現在輕軌當然也是交通部做啊來看一下高滾當時已經做了BRT啊 |
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當初先做BRT是交通部做的對不對行政院94年來合併喔做了一個很重要的宣示喔這個顏柳規劃清軌的這個事情考量當初的財政狀況跟運量的需求 |
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當初人比較少嘛現在印量已經增加了嘛太保站那邊下來的人現在跟比南港上的人還多所以他的流量是夠的嘛 對不對有需求了嘛後面這句話請貴部貴部什麼樣交通部對不對 |
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硬量的成長的情形要適時提出輕軌計畫就是要叫你們做嘛第一個你們現在提了沒有報告委員第二個有沒有叫你們要你們說我可以說嗎好報告委員您大概不了解對行政院來說各縣市的捷運系統都是由交通部提出的 |
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各縣市送到交通部交通部在提出但交通部提出不代表交通部全部出錢這一點非常清楚各縣市的輕軌或捷運都是一致性的所以不要只有看到這句話就擴大解釋中...我看嘉義縣市也開了好幾次會啦包括你們協助專家都邀請來了現在兩個點嘛第一個 這個公文上面清清楚楚要你要繼續像BRT那樣做嘛對不對 不要擴大解釋沒有啦沒有你剛剛講的那些都是後話啦本來有在討論說要不要第一點嘛 |
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現在今天就是兩個點嘛第一個我公文都是給你看的我也給你一次公文啊你要 你依據公文你要做啊對行政院來說當初PRT是交通部做的當初的行政院也叫你要做嘛他沒有叫我們要做啊對啊這是第一點第二點我剛剛講你為什麼不能夠比照機場捷運你是看我自己他不看不清楚機場捷運是因為桃園機場是國門保證現在更重要的為什麼行政院長那如果您這樣說的話我是不是也看不起我們自己台中人 |
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你人家很粗啊 董事長你人家很粗啊是不是啊 已經蓋完了啊你把手給我站起來他們彰化 他們現在站起來彰化的立委可以幫他們爭取啊為什麼 全國都是一致性的來啦 國進現在同情了啦 全國都是一致性的部長現在最重要的啦是行政院長清清楚楚在國會跟大家講372個你要出嘛 對不對 |
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報告委員我已經解釋過那是幕僚所提供的資料讓院長誤解了這一點我非常抱歉我昨天道歉過一次我今天再道歉一次嘉義人不要你誤解嘉義人要你解決問題嘛啊你行政院長宣布當初你當初有問題那天你就應該數數他這樣講對不對高雄的左營站他所串接的捷運也是中央補助地方出比較多的錢 |
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都是一樣的所以你都去挑一部分你為什麼不挑像季節這樣好了明明就可以幫嘉義嘉義縣市一個發展的為什麼不動各縣市的捷運只要串接高鐵都是中央出錢並不是這樣這是錯誤的說法來來來 柏定現在最新的柏定現在最新的最重要的嘛行政院長公開講了嘛那你在旁邊嘛不是 我就解釋過這是口誤我就解釋過這是口誤 |
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口誤這什麼是口誤呢我們剛剛講依法依公文都可以做的事情為什麼要口誤嘉義縣市爭取這條輕軌已經爭取那麼久了啊怎麼會是口誤呢而且你只要照那一天的你去承擔你那天講說爭取是用地費那用地費我們就我們來付啊 |
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交通部的2020版的這個運輸政策白皮書就先是說完整城市的這個網際的這個鐵路的運輸網啊 |
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要把高鐵跟台鐵做一個串聯是國家的重要政策之一啊你們要去落實這個事情啊大眾決議法第13條也明確說大眾決議系統應該是由中央主管機關來辦理啊所以你本來要依法你就可以這樣做啊現在事情怎麼樣你把我們嘉義漏掉嘛是不是這樣我知道法令上你們一直在鑽漏洞在解釋一個不見得你明明是可以照顧嘉義縣市全國性 |
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統一的原則跟規則我不可能為了嘉義市跟別的地方不一樣全國性統一的規則跟原則就是交通部必須那個是為了桃園機場如果每一個縣市都這麼說交通部該怎麼做 |
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那你讓他如果你認為整個地區的發展都需要你就應該去做啊為什麼不能做呢那您可以修法啊法律已經有啦現在是你自己的用裁量方式啊你不要擴大去解釋你在依法可以的狀況之下你要照顧嘉義縣市結果你不照顧嘛國家的重要政策也是嘉義市跟嘉義縣的人家生氣什麼你可以做的還有你行政院長公開講的你現在要吃我玩我嗎全國一致性原則我們就欺負我們嘛 |
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全國一致性原則我還是要強調全國一致性原則我不要 我知道時間不要影響到後面啦我告訴你第一 嘉義人會爭取到底我們不會被欺負也不會被欺騙啦從來沒有欺負過嘉義人這個都是你可以做的事情那嘉義市民已經在慶祝了落實行政院長講的話我今天更指出來你保證那天站在旁邊 |
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你們的對線你們的諾言要對線不要背信不要欺負不要欺騙嘉義人謝謝絕對不會欺負跟欺騙嘉義人謝謝委員 |