IVOD_ID |
161084 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161084 |
日期 |
2025-05-08 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-18 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
18 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-08T10:47:45+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:56:27+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:08:42 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c16ebeb7415857c3d2cf7df95ebd13a46f97e39277836b040f5a549a2cf34375e35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
委員發言時間 |
10:47:45 - 10:56:27 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請內政部部長、國家住宅及都市更新中心董事長就「都市更新與危老重建之執行成效及未來展望」進行專題報告,並備質詢。二、審查委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「都市更新條例增訂第四十四條之一條文草案」案。三、審查委員賴惠員等23人擬具「都市危險及老舊建築物加速重建條例第三條及第十一條條文修正草案」案。【第一案至第三案綜合詢答並處理法律提案。】) |
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好謝謝主席本席有請劉部長劉部長有請劉委員好部長好本席就先就剛剛有關我們這個合建契約的問題直接再追問就是說我們在這個合建契約 |
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是否內政部有一些數據統計可以佐證就是說合建契約是否會因為行政審議的意見不一致導致履約過程中出現大量的訴訟爭端有沒有這種情況我請署長回應一下感謝啦因為合建契約它內容不會反映不一定會反映在杜庚的計畫書裡面它往往都是雙方私人合議的一些內容 |
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那最容易過去的經驗有沒有過去的經驗就是很容易因為因為資訊不對稱他不曉得都更的條例裡面有什麼樣的保障第二個呢過程當中有遇到政策或法令的修正導致雙方的權利義務會發生改變那這些就是一般在合建契約裡面最常出現的問題 |
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那內政部有沒有規劃建立那種合建契約的參考版本或資訊平台讓各類型契約有指引就是因為樣態太多種我們樣態太多種沒有辦法用範本的方式因為你就依據不同樣態開始來做跟委員報告因為第一個這是私人契約我們不曉得他們中間的協議內容因為協議內容甚至從 |
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單純的分屋分地道還要去賣我沒辦法建立參考版本有沒有諮詢平台所以我根本報告就是說過去我們跟地方政府討論像雙北他們就是去訂出所謂的注意事項那我們覺得注意事項是一個非常好的機制那本席的問題就是說那有沒有要請各縣市政府他可以有一些諮詢平台 |
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報告一下 我們本來就有補助各縣市政府有相關的輔導團跟專案辦公室那你們的指導有沒有要他成立這個諮詢平台說明一下現在就是透過輔導團跟專案辦公室他們本身就可以做這些事情 |
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那現在只是說他們可以做但是他們有沒有做是一回事嗎其實都有 都有在接受做這些那接著本席繼續問針對核建爭議較多的類型是否可以先行分類建議原則性的指導 |
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報告就是說我們現在就是跟地方政府討論雙北現在是用注意事項也就是說你在訂定這個合建契約的時候雙方要注意哪些內容那第二個呢我們現在還有在討論就是說另外叫做風險控管事項 |
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風險控管制也就把過去常發生的樣態你們在執行過程當中要注意哪些執行的風險那提醒雙方在這合約裡面都應該要去注意或建立一些制度那目前部內有沒有五年合建案件爭議類型的分類統計報告目前是沒有但是我們都是透過這個部分我想我剛剛的意思就是說我們透過在跟地方開會請他們把這一類的案件 |
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過去所發生的糾紛通通大家統整起來我們來進行做一些分類那也可以提供作為後面我們要訂定相關注意事項跟風險控管事項的這個依據好那最後合建契約協議的輔導小組這一個可以來成立嗎 |
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包括就是我們會如果這個內容出來我們一樣會交給地方政府你會不會明確的規範請他們有這樣的一個小組對對應該這麼說啦就是我們目前的預算來講是用輔導團跟專案辦公室的形式那未來我們就再來跟在後面的委託裡面呢就會請他們把這些要輔導這個這個協議合建的部分一併都納進來 |
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好謝謝那接著本席要接著問請教部長現在我們整個耐震弱成補強的這樣的一個推動成效好像 |
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不是很好報告因為其實我們每年都有編然後再來就是你一年也沒編多少錢我們一年有大概一億多一億多你看一年只可以補助幾戶你自己說應該這麼說我跟委員報告因為其實耐震補強的過程就會從出產品開始目前來講有一些民眾是不太願意是因為他們很擔心列出來的時候狀況沒有很好 |
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所以往往都是第一步所以他沒辦法他會影響他的房價所以他不太願意第一步跨出第一步但是因為從921之後然後陸續一些大地震我們都知道說我們事先的補強會有助於未來就是說預防災害的發生那如果你一年一億多我算了一下大概幾十戶 |
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一年大概是五到七件一年大概是五到七件你看全國一個縣是分不到一件所以這個我覺得很值得檢討因為我們有感覺到你在都會區或非都會區應該是有它的差異像我們部長當過副市長 |
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這光是高雄市區跟以前的高雄縣它就不一樣還有像我們其他非六都的縣市那其實有這種資訊落差的問題所謂資訊落差就是可能有些民眾他不知道 |
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其实以一般非都会区它也没有什么会影响它地价你这个可能还是都市思维所以这个部分我们是希望你这样一亿多真的太少好像只是点缀式的没有真的要做那这一块其实也是民众的权益民众的权益健全我们整个都市的发展我们都应该要兼顾所以这个部分应该要来加强吧 |
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這根文報告啦 其實我們大概每年都有去各縣市做推廣各縣市做推廣那其實我們剛剛講的是一個沒有各縣市推廣 可是你一年只有幾間大概過去的經驗就去推廣大概民眾的反應是這樣啦因為尤其大概對於老舊的公寓大概都會有整合的問題因為要提到那一陣補強 |
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那其實大家都要共同出資啦因為不會政府不可能百分之百還是會有共同出資的問題但是就會就會出現有人願意出資有人不願意出資所以我們過去的輔導案件很多 整合的問題嘛對 也會出現整合的問題所以過去在這個案例當中 |
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公寓大廈的管理組織其實是非常重要他要能夠去溝通所有的住戶大家一起願意來做那這也是一個很重要的成敗關鍵所以過去曾經我們也高達一年要鞭屍幾億但是慢慢減少也是因為實際上就是因為你們落實不了 |
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所以一直減少應該是說在民眾這兩步要能跨得出去這樣會比較容易來進行所以好 那我們的宣導還有我們很多的溝通甚至我們的協助也很重要啊是譬如說我們有沒有考慮那種一站式的服務窗口讓各直轄市也好縣市政府 |
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我們應該就是說這個政策我們利益非常好剛剛署長講了本來一年可能十幾億甚至我們如果做得好幾十億我們就應該為民眾的這種耐政的弱成補強來加強那可是呢就實施的不好實施不好是因為什麼是因為我覺得有資訊的落差 |
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還有我們沒有確實去落實所以今天因為剛好有類似的議題所以本席也在這邊要特別的來強調部長加油一點可以嗎我們會來跟地方來加強第一個溝通第二個是宣傳把問題找出來然後我們應該要加強宣導然後地方政府他也應該要有一些這種服務的窗口要做好我想這我們後面會來加強宣導感謝 |
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謝謝徐馨 |