| IVOD_ID |
161078 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161078 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T11:11:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T11:22:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1df1730573b2c596be0059966c803d0e997e39277836b040f1b9d0562b452a15f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:32 - 11:22:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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先讓總裁先喝口水可以嗎?好,那就請總裁喝完水就可以上來 |
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委員長總裁好辛苦了謝謝那當然大家都很關心說最近這個台北升職的問題那剛剛很多委員也都有在問那這個也因為情況波動比較大升職的力道比較大那所以在5月5號的時候包含總統跟總裁都出來這個講話總統是用錄影的方式那總裁是親自召開這個記者會那我有看到這個總統他有特別提到說 |
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第一個他可能是市場預期的心理第二個可能是不實的訊息企圖來操縱市場那我先想請教一下這個總裁那總統所說的這個市場的預期的心理是指什麼預期台幣會升值所以我們就是說我們在這個我們在5月5號的新聞稿裡面我們的第六點就講得很清楚 |
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我們講得很清楚就是說我們欲請市場評論人員切勿以臆測的方式評論國內會市相關議題避免影響國內會市的秩序及穩定所以我們裡面是寫的稍微比較溫和一點事實上我們也希望他們節制啦不要導致這個市場的非理性的預期那非理性的預期會導致兩個現象 |
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第一個現象就是說市場秩序會亂掉第二個會不穩定波及到我們的經濟的層面中央銀行要維持市場秩序的職者變得更困難這是第一點 |
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第二點我們也呼籲就是說我們的廠商你也不必要太親信的這些的市場的謠言那這樣的話呢你一直拋拋拋中央銀行我們也是我們也是盡我們的職責我們要來調整但是呢因為他的預期心理太強了所以呢我們也就呼籲我們的廠商呢你也要 |
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也要注意因為到最後你如果說一直在啪啪啪的時候呢到最後呢你會傷到我問一下總裁大概哪時候開始觀察到台幣升值的力道開始逐漸加強事實上呢4月30號左右就大概就所以呢所以剛剛有一個委員我覺得他的建議也很好啦 |
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就是說事實上這個運量新台幣升值的預期事實上在4月中以後事實上在4月8號以後就是那個川普的4月2號以後大概就是慢慢的慢慢你看看就是說這個評論員就是說會再到哪裡啊用大麥克的那個指數啊什麼的所以那個時候就是開始在運量了 |
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那時候就開始在講台幣會不斷的升值 甚至有人提到說50幾塊所以剛剛那個委員就說建議我們就是說這個星星之火啊 也應該要趕快撲滅那這個當然就是說 我們認為就是說這怎麼有可能 怎麼有可能到那個總統剛剛講好像當時候央行有點輕忽了這種星星之火可以燎原的趨勢 |
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當然啦 不過我們也是有私下跟這些評論員接觸啦希望他們不要這樣子啦但是已經造成了這個效果啦最後升到29.5%左右啊所以呢 也就是說 我說我們也會記取教訓啦對於這個新興之火 我們也必須要立即的做 |
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我覺得這個教訓真的要繼續啦是是是因為接下來我又看到說這個包含這個國民黨的主席啊他講說這個接下來不是只有關稅戰是貨幣戰然後又講說那接下來呢可能在本週或是下週呢 |
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這個我們就會接到美國財政部的匯率報告他說台灣一定會被列明為觀察名單而且是嚴重的觀察名單所以我是不曉得誰在講這個因為今天那這次我就是要主要讓總裁要注意對對對好那我也剛剛我也藉這個機會也在澄清 |
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所以我想委員給我讓我有這個機會再來重申就是說因為我們也有這個教訓所以你讓我有這個時間來說明第一個就是說嚴重的我不曉得是誰因為今天早上我很匆匆忙忙因為要來趕趕是誰不管我就說事實上絕對沒有所謂的嚴重的操縱匯率 |
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後來好像我看了那個小標題呢它是大標題是嚴重的匯率超重但是呢它的小標題裡面呢是講就是說嚴重的匯率的觀察列為嚴重的觀察名單但是沒有這回事啦 |
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不會有這回事我敢這樣的澄清這是第一點第二點就是說又有市場的人士就說六月的時候會有美債的危機所以我就說我必須要我剛剛的另外一個說明 |
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5月1號5月2號5月5號我們說的都事實事實上呢這個海湖的那個莊園的那個協定根本就是到目前為止都沒有這個我知道那個央行新聞稿都有寫但是我就是要提醒總裁要注意 |
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就是說台幣的升值它其實也有脈絡可循你剛剛講說4月8號之後那不斷在市場就有人放出這個消息面出來那現在包含這一個連在野黨的黨主席都出來講說接下來就是貨幣戰了接下來台灣就會被列為這間政府觀察名單的這個要注意啊 |
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所以我也非常謝謝財委會今天安排這個議題讓我們來報告但是裡面雖然是主權基金的一個議題但是 |
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很大部分的委員都是對這個匯率有一些的關心那我覺得我也非常感謝就是說財委給我們這個機會除了我們在5月5號的時候那個記者會我們來澄清事實上這一次也是很好的機會讓我們再次的澄清那我請教一下總裁那您認為說這一個台幣的合理匯率大概是 |
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所以我還是對這個來講的話我不能抱名牌啊事實上那個名牌不是名牌所以我就說事實上匯率是供需來決定的它有上有下你現在就是說是在升但是有一天有一天它會扁啊對不對所以不要就是說它會升到什麼樣才是合理的Who knows誰曉得 |
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但是我要強調的就是說 |
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本波的新台幣的升值的規理性的預期心理到目前呢是so far so good已經就把那個負的能量已經釋放出來so far so good就對了就是可以控制掌握就對了應該是我們的調解呢已經就是說幾乎是供需是平衡了所以我們調解呢就不像前幾天這樣的那麼的辛苦所以呢我想呢我們在這邊再做一次澄清我是覺得是非常好的 |
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那我再問一下主權基金那那個卓院長他是比較積極的態度在推動這個主權基金那我也看到這一個央行的報告那我想請教一下那央行也是認為說是可以設主權基金但是要用專法的方式來做處理就對了那您認為說主權基金規模大概要多大這個所以我就說嘛我還是覺得就是說 |
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要設立主權基金這個是我們政府必須要他做的決定中央銀行應該就說市場很多都說以前都是中央銀行反對啦所以才沒辦法成立主權基金說實在不對我看你們是支持的嘛對啊但是就是設專法嘛而且不要動到外匯嘛對不對我們就說外匯 |
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不能無償的撥用我們只是強調這裡所以也就是說成立主權基金這個是政府的事政府呢應該要怎麼來研議那至於我們中央銀行呢我們也不便在這邊說它的規模要多少啊那你要怎麼樣怎麼樣我覺得那個涉及到說它的這個主權基金的這個基金的來源啊是是是那我們有提到就是說不是跟財政部有相關的嗎發債撥款 |
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然後出資這都是跟財政部相關的啦那除了這個財政部之外那其他委員有提到說譬如說四大基金有提到國發基金那他們適合投資嗎所以國發基金有他們的立場 |
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他的意見他真正的意見是怎麼樣他們也要必須要再嚴厲那至於四大基金他們態度是如何他們自己也要就是說因應如果說政府要成立主權基金的時候他們要如何來協助假設說政府是這樣但是呢決定都是由他們的中央銀行不能就說他一定要加入中央銀行沒有這個權利確實都沒有這個權利好那我最後一點時間就請這個國發會的這個副主委好了 |
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因為我剛剛聽很多的委員都有問到相關的問題總裁先請回好了那國發會對於這個設立主權基建的態度是怎麼樣我想剛剛總裁也說明了我們建議還是用專法的方式來做那基金的來源呢 |
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654.865 |
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資金的來源齊總才有講到可以用發債的方式用發債的方式所以國發委認為說用發債的方式是一個做的是國瀑布其實有因為到時候會成立一個專案小組我們會就資金來源的投措的方式還有資金的金額等等我們會進行相關的討論那不建議動用到目前的四大基金就對了 |
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665.763 |
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就是如果發債的話,有可能市場基金也可以購買債券還有很多方式可以來運用 |