| IVOD_ID |
161074 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161074 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T10:59:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T11:11:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1e8bcb04f7a032737e0059966c803d0e997e39277836b040fdc5543f29fdbc7c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李彥秀 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:54 - 11:11:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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我是不是可以請總裁總裁 |
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總裁 你自己對於這個數字你有沒有非常驚訝? |
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有沒有什麼樣的 有沒有surprise兩天升10% 你突然看到連續兩天升10%你是不是 我想喔 我想喔 有沒有措手不及第一個就市場的一個觀點來看 就像純如那個 就有一個shock |
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是一個shock但是就中央銀行的立場來看不是說立場因為我們時常在觀看這個市場所以市場的波動有些時候的波動比這個多還大的 |
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不過委員 我跟您報告就是說即使是這兩天做比較大的 |
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波動但是呢他釋放出來的一個釋放出來的一個能量呢讓後面這邊呢他的一個市場呢就回歸比較正常我覺得這個也是他另一方面的一個正面的一個看法我不是來跟你吵架這整件事情對台灣台灣中小企業占全台灣的98% |
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我們雇用的員工佔將近八成很多中小企業朋友跟我講只做進出口他說他什麼都沒做一下子我們中小企業很多都是我們都講毛三道是利率大概只有3%到4%的毛利率而已什麼都不做就損失一兩千萬他可能第一季或上半年 |
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他本來預估賺的錢就全部都吐出去甚至在財務槓桿上他本來要付錢給上游廠商蝦子少了那麼多錢他借錢來周轉你即便後續有什麼補充政府有什麼措施跟政府借錢是要還的不用還的但是 |
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一下子兩天的利率升到10%對我們中小企業是嚴重的衝擊否則你不會在那一天下午四點半馬上開了記者會所以你剛才回應說對市場來說可能是surprise那 |
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難道對我們來說沒有 對您來說沒有措手不及嗎沒有措手不及怎麼會下午四點半開記者會所以 我才會跟委員報告嘛就是說事實上呢 專業銀行也不是說沒有事實的介入來調解啦只是說是因為它的市場的 |
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不理性的預警我都同意市場我們有一些調節總裁我再問一件事情這個衝擊對我們中小企業影響太大了有些小的進出口廠商一下子 |
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我們現在什麼都沒做就損失一兩千萬所以你個人認為你最近無論賴總統也好我們各縣市首長或我們重要的部會跟財經有關的你覺得中小企業那個區間到底我們的台我們的升值多少30塊28塊31塊什麼樣是一個比較合理或比較好的一個區間數字 |
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他們能夠承受的 你知道我的意思嗎因為我們台灣進出口靠進出口耶 剛才8%都是中小企業所以我問你 什麼是一個比較合理的一個我跟委員報告啦事實上呢 我剛剛也跟其他的委員 我也說明了30塊的左右的這個價位呢 也不是第一次啦 |
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我知道他以前就好幾次了 |
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我跟委員報告說實在的 |
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每一家的企業它對匯率的一個承受的程度不一樣 |
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總裁 你就在浪費我的時間政府應該有一個比較理想的數字理想的數字最大多數的我們還就是說會試是由供需來決定的你如果說是像這樣的話我就說我來報個名牌他30塊總裁你不願意講沒關係啦 |
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我只覺得你心裡應該要有一個你不能講也好或你不願意講也好但是我覺得你心裡應該是要有一個什麼樣的一個數字對我們中小企業是一個衝擊不會太大這我要提醒你的好我要轉到我的第二個問題總裁94歲的索羅斯他有一個外號你應該非常清楚叫金融巨鱷他的量子基金是全世界最有名的對沖基金 |
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那在97年當時1997年的時候你當時是剛從倫敦回到我們央行擔任行務委員所以你應該對當時的對沖基金量子基金你應該是非常熟悉當然這一次 |
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現在的這一次的禿鷹的狀況也好跟當時1997年狀況有很大的不同高大集會委員 集會集會委員也問了一些問題但我想很具體的問就說 總裁因為環境不一樣這跟1997年環境不一樣這一波的禿鷹的炒匯從匯市到底賺了多少錢 |
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我說實在的就是說因為我在記者會裡面呢我提到了禿鷹這兩個字所以就是說提到這兩個字的時候呢所以才有媒體報導了就是說把這個禿鷹變成好像是一個重點事實上我當時我只是說 |
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我們在就是說在這個鋪洞的過程當中我們也發現了就是說外資呢他進來他沒有買股我直接再問你是禿鷹還是用這個對沖基金在後面炒孔 |
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你所知道 因為你有說 你在媒體上 你有說你請他出去現在用說 到底你說你有查到 你也請他出去 你有查決那到底他獲利了結多少 背後到底是秃嬰還是對沖基金有好幾個對沖基金嗎不是 我跟委員報告啦 就是說 |
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這個資金進來了以後parking就一兩天的時候呢我們就趕快第一個我們會告訴他你如果沒有買股票的時候你就趕快出去那你如果說進來的話 |
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他是好幾個對沖基金嗎那我只是說我的類似但是我怎麼能說說他就是禿鷹我知道那他是用對沖基金嗎沒關係總裁我知道好來那到底他是好幾個對沖基金還是這一個對沖基金沒有啦我們看到了那個資金那麼龐大我們只是 |
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跟Custodian就是我們的保管領導我們告訴他你就是只有大德勸說因為我們以前也都是說你要進來你就是要買股票 |
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總裁我知道我們不要浪費因為我還有一分半鐘我知道對於禿鷹的標準判斷標準他要進來他就趕快買股要獲利了結我們就趕快請他出去 |
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但是我們現在只有道德勸說這件事情我覺得恐怕是不夠因為外界包括媒體都笑我們說我們只能道德勸說只剩下一張嘴所以未來我們會不會訂定規則或法則來去對於就是你資金進來你又不買股賺了錢你也不趕快出去我們應該要有一個規範出來你會不會制定這樣的一個規範 |
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我覺得就是說第一個我們如果跟他的Custodian我們有一個很好的一個很密切的一個協調我覺得這樣也是足夠 |
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所以不打算施行罰則 不打算使用規範你這樣的話 你會嚇跑外資因為我們都好不容易就說 我們的市場都是那麼的自由你是一個自由的氣氛那我就只能請總裁 總裁你可有聽到的那以後他不敢進來好 總裁我知道 所以未來你就只能持續的道德勸說不是說道德勸說 我們密切觀察 |
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那如果說你這樣的話 那所以我就說我們會密切的跟那個Custodian那總裁我請問這一波的外資的規模 進來炒貨的規模到底有多大數字有多大你不能講我也不便跟委員報告好 那另外一個 我們現在央行要啟動經檢我們什麼時候會啟動我們昨天就啟動了好 預示執行多久我們至少 我們今天還是去啦 |
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我們今天也去啦 時間多久沒有 我們也沒有 所以我們看看情況如何如果說覺得市場都已經會平靜而且是市場的秩序都已經良好的時候我們為什麼要一定查下去如果這個炒賣的對象也包含我們的進口廠商我們會怎麼處理對 我們也會對這個進出口廠商我知道 那如果有發現也有我們的進出口廠商會怎麼處理這個呢 |
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這個呢我們對銀行因為銀行他要KYC而且我們相關的規定那這個是可以的你就跟財政部連結沒有不必要我們就本身就可以好謝謝 |