| IVOD_ID |
161064 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161064 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T10:36:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:49:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1aa4188deda07f721e0059966c803d0e95f5e885147c9c9bc1a088aa3d2b9e73c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:22 - 10:49:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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我們今年的經濟成長率是多少? |
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主席好 我們是預估我是委員委員好 今年我們是有預估預估是3.14這是我們一處預估那假設新台幣兌美元匯率跌破澎湃南房線的話那你的經濟成長率大概是抓多少 |
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因為我們還會要看整個一個那個就是關稅的一個情形還有其他一些相關的因素在做評估如果就澎湃南的防線突破的話那你覺得對國內的經濟成長的影響情況是如何應該是會有我們這個部分我們預估是會再降低一點的 |
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降低一點點,會不會降低0.1還是0.01降0.1%一個百分點百分之0.1,所以你們是有沙盤推演那請問澎淮南防線是新台幣多少對一美元多少,這個部分要 |
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你剛剛怎麼會有0.01的那個數字怎麼來的?我再想,當然我不曉得他們怎麼做一個假設,我不曉得他的假設 |
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不過我答覆委員你在說彭淮南黃線的時候我會有一個疑問我就說好像從來我們總裁也都從來沒有講過他的黃線是在哪裡的所以那個委員在講說彭淮南黃線的時候我就總覺得怎麼會有這個彭淮南黃線的這個字眼出現那你請幕僚 |
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沒有啊中央銀行裡面的我們從來從不談這個沒有就是說而且這個防線你如果說是這樣我再猜可能是那個幕僚財下過去歷史的報章那大概都是市場就是說蓬蓬財的那個什麼防線事實上我跟委員報告 |
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韓國的央行總裁李昌雍你熟悉嗎我熟悉啊 |
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他為什麼說這一波亞幣的大幅上漲是因為來自美國的壓力啊我這個前幾個委員都問過了你怎麼回答不是我怎麼回答因為他講了這個的時候有很多人確定包括學者有去 |
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包括就是說他們去從他的講話裡面去好好的這個是韓國人的去翻譯好好的翻譯說這個報導跟他所說的是根本就是說差距很大所以又是一場誤會我也不敢這麼說因為我不曉得韓語一場誤會就是一場夢啦可是總裁如果說委員要做這樣的一個說法的話我也贊同 |
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你覺得這是一場夢那總是要有夢醒時刻夢醒時分就是總裁你在前幾天我看到你大家都那麼熟我覺得你有苦難掩所以我剛剛所以我剛剛我就說一開始的時候我有一個澄清有一個聲明澄清就是說 |
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因為我的口才不好所以有些時候講話我講話的時候會結結巴巴他們都把他解釋說我有藍炎之癮對啊 那我就馬上要澄清他確實沒有這回事然後他又說因為有藍炎之癮所以我不善於說謊這個說謊又把他放進來確實沒有這回事沒有這回事總裁如果你沒有藍炎之癮的話 |
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看強美元還是看弱美元所以我剛剛就又再回答了我說歷任的財政部長都說要強勢美元 |
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那只有一個財政部長就前任的財政部長他稍微改口他認為說匯率是由市場供需來決定沒有所謂的強勢美元缺弱勢美元總裁就聽聽就好了 |
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現在你說的也不算,葉門說的也不算,現在全世界只有一個人說的算,川普為了要讓美國偉大,那你覺得美國為了走勢會強勢嗎? |
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我跟委員報告啦我的邏輯啦我請教嘛總裁他如果說你是說可能他強勢好那如果美元如果強勢的話那請問美國怎麼樣偉大美國製造的東西他怎麼賣出口啊沒有出口他怎麼製造順差啊 |
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所以這是一個很簡單的邏輯那我想請問一下總裁就是說你現在外匯存底是跟2300萬的國民息息相關你保管處理這些資產央行中央銀行法的第二條寫得很清楚有一條是什麼 |
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貨幣要維持穩定嘛對那既然要維持穩定你為什麼不在這個幣別裡面在我兩年前三年前我就建議啊總裁你考不考慮買一些比特幣那時候是一個是六千塊美金啊 |
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我還曾經多次的建議央行不論是在這邊或在文園我說這個黃金看起來閃閃發光每盎司是一千兩百七十塊的時候我說那可不可以說基建賣幾百個賣五百個因為你們那個台灣銀行有一個什麼楊天立不是承認部的 |
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那個黃金網子啊他們都有研究我都請教了所以假設1780塊1270塊每盎司的時候你買進1000億台幣那1000億的話 |
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請問總裁,今天的話,你等於是賺了多少錢?是啦,我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我... |
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總裁 那個委員 我要答問你兩個問題第一個 你就是說為什麼不買比特幣 不買黃金那我事實上 委員上一次也回答 提問了這個問題那我也就是說 我非常佩服委員的 |
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的遠見但是呢我就說從中央銀行的一個manage叫我們外存體的一個準則來看的話那又是另外一回事我記得我有做這樣的一個說明第一個我要謝謝總裁對我的佩服我也接受嘛 |
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可是面對外在情懷的變化我要提醒總裁全世界包括日本包括挪威包括很多國家現在美國公債的部分他們全部開始套跑一步一步的解決請問 |
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請問總裁你對於央行現在所持有的美國公債你會不會採取減持的動作你現在那個委員你又再講就是說92%的我們都持有公債不對 |
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這個副總裁講的不是我講的嗎沒有我們副總裁他在市長在主席的在啊我上一次的時候他已經糾正了有糾正是副總裁講的我們已經澄清了嘛副總裁講92他說80幾這樣減少了啦92現在剩80幾 |
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所以我也不必要再重複不過呢我跟委員報告啦至於就是說你說我們也回答啦就是說要調整中央銀行要調整我們都是很靈活的我們現在手上有沒有人民幣我們也有一些幾% |
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不高你為什麼不高一點呢因為他的利率現在第一個我要說明的就是說第一個人民幣我們為什麼握有人幣最主要是因為我們台商跟台商他有人民幣的需求他的settlement需要到人民幣所以他的一個流動性我們必須要我們必須要握有這樣的一個流動性這是第一點 |
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但是呢我們也不能就說我們隨時我就像你說的啊我們隨時在調整你看看那個人民幣的利率一直掉啊利率一直掉那美國的利率會不會掉目前他還是點幾啊可是下個月呢 |
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我不曉得那這樣子總統我跟你賭一碗牛肉麵今年美國的利率一定會往下調這個我想我不必要那個啦我們不用賭啦我來請你一碗牛肉麵我們不用賭那你請我我來請大家啦 |
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那個因為時間關係最後就問一下謝謝楊總裁我問一下那個財政部那個阮市長那你每次官基金啟動都是互足有功啊都穩住了那你現在其實目前進場大概多少金額這個包委員這個不方便在這邊說明但是私底下我再那這次應該也會賺錢吧會不會 |
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國安基金不是以賺錢為目的啦我想委員很清楚嘛我們最主要是要穩定股市我知道你們這一波又買了很多台積電因為畢竟他的權值比較大好 謝謝 那請國發會那我就要請一下那個高副主委我們手上很多的台積電 |
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從兩年前到現在有沒有賣過沒有一張都沒賣是 因為它是我們的護國神山所以不會賣基本上因為是我們的關鍵產業OK 可是我們的護國神山已經變成美積電了 |
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不會所以台積電會守住會不會跌我們對台積電有充分的信心 |
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我覺得我們國人都應該要有這樣的信息另外一個就是國發基金現在整個加起來總市值是多少兩兆 因為我們的資產有兩兆對去年表現的情況是平均的嗎我們營養有三百多億去年OK 好 謝謝是 謝謝好 謝謝林平強委員的質詢 |