| IVOD_ID |
161058 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161058 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T10:21:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:30:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c151c470ad7863215986c15394cd5fc9015f5e885147c9c9bc896b02f461641f995ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:21:25 - 10:30:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員李坤城等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（本日僅進行詢答；第三案及第四案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
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來 請跟時間賽跑的主任 來你是德里主任嗎請李主任謝謝委員在加冕主任 你這個 |
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雖然籌備那麼久啦 不過你這個委員會非常非常重要是 沒錯對國家社會有很大貢獻因為第一個 台灣第一次有這個那麼重要的人權關懷的這樣一個因為現在 若是說個資洩漏 若是說很嚴重的連國防部 個資都可以洩漏內政部啦 什麼一堆衛福部全部都有 華航你看連賴清德 賴總統的個資也都外漏過郭台銘啊什麼 林志玲啊所以今天那個 我們今天巡打就很重要啦 |
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我是看你們在3月份提出來這個3月27號的行政院這個版本做了一部分的修正我發現有些地方我們要進一步來討論好 謝謝威延執教你在12月 去年12月20號有做一個預告吧我發現你後來327提出來的時候把它刪掉了保存相關的紀錄 本來說預告說要保存三年 |
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沒有刪掉,我們是會在執法裡面再去訂,相關保存的期間這麼重要,為什麼要未接要拉低呢?因為在預告期間裡面,各界的意見都不同有人要拉長,有人說要拉短 |
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那我們會覺得說這部分可能還需要濃縮共識啦所以我們是先在母法裡面先去提到在授權指板的時候期限這個一定會保存是需要的還是要認為要拉長要多久要縮短還要討論主席你要盡快把它開完會把它訂起來現在它的重點是應該有一個法律位階的 |
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重視是是是內涵是執法基本上就是它是具體授權所以它是相當有法律的這個效率一個這樣好不好等一下我們做兩個處理一個就是要加速去你說有不一樣意見嘛要趕快去審核啦是不能丟在那裡啊第二個再想一想是不是位階還是要拉回來放在 |
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法律比較好 你再想一下啦當然我沒有完全反對執法可是老實講 這個是很重要的一件事情那重要就用法律來定啊就不要到執法去 這跌壞第二個我發現你把它刪掉一個比較這個通用 你看一下中間那個預告板裡面有提到說有前項情形且對當事人權利有重大危害之餘者 |
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重大危害之一的 這個很重要啊你為什麼後來也刪掉了 又放到 |
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跟委員報告就是在預告時間當然也有給一個意見尤其是人權團裡面是認為說是不是只限於一個說這個門檻好像是說還要去判斷重大危害才能去做這個通知跟通告他覺得這樣子好像已經把那個範圍縮得太小了但是那個門檻要怎麼樣去處理 |
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所以我們是覺得說 假設大家覺得這個共識度加這個門檻是不是加太高了 所以我們就暫時好原則上這個門檻的問題先到執法裡面先來先不要現在在母法的時候就因為大家這樣所以要趕快嘛對對對 沒有錯 更剛剛的問題第二個 這個解決方案更重要啦因為你這樣就會造成一個你都用執法來定 那個通報範圍就會變得很空洞 外界就會關心不知道怎麼辦 |
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不會空洞那時候就是一個具體要去討論說到目前為止我為什麼問你說你把重大危害這個拿掉或拿到執法那邊去像這個本來就很明確嘛對不對那你今天能不能比較明確跟我講你這個範圍會涵蓋哪一些好 |
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我們目前的規劃當事人的通知的這部分原則上我們現在先不放門檻了對當事人通知甚至我們把那個本來現行的規定說要查明後那一直都有人說要查多久啊這個當然要刪掉現前條文這個太晚了所以我們先把查明後這個就先拿掉這個不符合跟實際賽跑沒錯沒錯要刪掉我們就是這個修法是對的啦我現在是說 |
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沒有 一個是當然要及時嘛 對不對可是更重要現在人民也在看你這個範圍啦你今天我剛剛講的那個就是個範圍嘛對不對沒錯沒錯對不對 重大危害嘛那你把它拿掉那我現在就要問你你現在初步擬定的有哪些範圍是比較明確的好 假如說我們現在分兩個啦一個是通知主管機關一個是通知當事人那是通知我說範圍你要界定的所謂範圍是怎麼樣現在範圍我們是只有我們現在範圍是只有先放在 |
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通報主管機關的這部分哪些事情要通報嘛 對不對說的話有重大危害之一嘛我也說你把它放到執法去除了這個之外還有哪些事你本來要定的事項然後第二個才是你講的要通報到機關或者是非公務機關怎麼通報嘛OK 我請我們同仁先做補充說明 |
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是委員因為我們當時在修法的時候其實有參考這個日韓的立法例那日韓他們其實在他們的個資法母法其實對於這個通報的範圍他們也是授權另外去訂他們的命令用命令的方式來去明確化他那個通報的範圍 |
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可能就是例如像他可能是說比如說他的這個資料是涉及到可能1000名以上的當事人的個資或是說他是涉及到敏感的資料或是說他可能是因為駭客違法犯法所去竊取的這種資料的這種情況他才會說在列為他們這個命令裡面所要通報的範圍就是像這樣的範圍 |
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人家國外可以跟國外的事可以做一部分的參考嘛沒錯影響有多大對不對或者民不民感嘛對不對金額什麼那些可以所以到時候這個範圍會非常的明確就對了沒錯OK那包括剛剛講被刪掉的可能要放回去好不好OK我們會留那你剛剛講到一個時間點問題然後我跟你談一個跟時間很有關的你最近有注意嗎最近那個LINE啊帳號被盜用那個 |
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380 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
397.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
最近啊 增加了80%所以連賴都在官方上面他都趕快公告了然後社會發展部也去找他趕快去跟時間賽跑結果現在花蓮啊你說賴配到用了真正能夠去要回來主任你知道要多久嗎你知道嗎 要再久嗎你要了解一下 一方面這個跟你的業務有關一方面就牽扯到每個人的利益嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
408.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
428.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那麼多人那個賬號被以前一週只能去要100筆回來了那些社會發展部趕快去催催催催催到現在啊說可能可以到250可是要到7月份才到400我告訴你結果啊被盜用的人太多了如果用400去省你知道嗎要多久你知道嗎多久才能夠回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
430.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
455.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
兩個半月 會太久嗎有點久啦不是有點久 非常非常 太久了嘛 對不對這不行啊 這個你去跟他們談一下好不好是 因為這部分現行院是分管是數位部在主政我們也會再跟他們做協力的一個聯繫要快 要快 我記得大概三天都太久了啦大家知道嗎 我們也去做一個統計 給大家看一下那個統計表 |
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456.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
463.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
你如果你的財啊被或者是那個帳號被倒走之後啊一個小時內27%錢就轉走了一個小時內喔然後幾個小時 大概12個小時之內到 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
470.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
490.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
幾天內大概都是大概一兩天內一半以上全部都被轉走了結果你現在搞我剛講三天已經太久了結果你現在搞到兩個半月好不好這個把它列為重點的工作即時趕快去處理好不好盡量能夠看能不能在三天內完整把這個LINE要回來這個好另外有一個最近啊 |
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491.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
500.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我們要求Google跟YT跟LINE還有臉書他們要設法律代表這個已經設了然後開始我們把這個廣告實名制了可是現在發現詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
503.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
525.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
越打越炸不是沒有減少還增加了這個也是現在民眾現在最關心的那這部分你跟蘇阿波那邊也進一步再來檢討好不好好 阿卓恩這是一個重要的工作好 一起加油大家希望你有做出很好的成績這個籌備數真的老講是籌備的有點久了趕快正式成立好 我們持續一直講謝謝委員一直講 |