| IVOD_ID |
161046 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161046 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T09:46:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T10:00:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1fa3f3515d9536c81e0059966c803d0e95f5e885147c9c9bc543d5268b71a667c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:46:28 - 10:00:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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以及各位先進有請央行的楊總裁以及國發會的高副主委有請楊總裁高副主委兩位長官好 我就請教剛才兩位長官都有提到好像特別是國發基金 |
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國會你也是主張跟楊總裁講的一樣還有我們請財政部的次長一起來就是主權基金應該是政府出錢的所以國發基金其實很適合來成立主權基金這個總裁同意嗎 |
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主權基金的規模通常都會比較大所以我們用國庫撥款跟作業營運來循環運用這一點不夠第二個就是主權基金很重要就是專業的管理經濟 |
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所以我們的人員聘用跟薪資我們目前國發基金是要符合公務人員的任用法所以這個可能也會受限財政部啊如果這個成立因為大家現在好像一直有這個聲音說成立國家主權基金了財政部一間把它挑起來怎麼樣財政部急啊這個可能還要再討論啦基本上就是有關這個裁員的這一部分當然央行是有一些建議比如說 |
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有財政部發債 或者是財政部出資成立 或者是財政部委託來經營等等就發行公債來講 現在目前我們的公債法規定只有兩種一種是假種公債 只是用來貼補財政收支差短 |
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那另外一種公債是作為市場性的財源那如果是說要在成立主權基金要透過發債的方式的話那一定要透過專案的立法要充分的討論而且要取得各界的共識 |
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對 我就問你了因為總裁一直反對這個因為現在很多人在打他主意要撥外匯存底來成立這個主權基金他強調 今天報告也強調他反對無償使用外匯存底來成立主權基金要的話就產生不你要去發債就發債你要發債你去發債政府的錢成立主權基金 |
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國會這個金額 一個國會基金金額太少而且因為我們還講到城市部署發債也發太少了嘛這個要是多發一點也不是壞事 台灣有錢啊不是 發債我們目前就是依照公債法的規定來發債啦所以剛才我講就是說可不可以發債成立主權基金 |
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發債主權基金的話我剛才講就是說一定要大家因為主權基金它基本上是創富基金你不會再講了因為我不是要問你你請回總裁你們其他兩位都請回 |
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你強調這幾個原則你要堅守到底喔就是反對無償使用立專法財政部最好財政部出錢政府的錢成立你要堅守喔我們是支持你的喔你不要我支持你到時候你垮掉了喔 |
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我們 不可以這樣子喔 你不會跑掉喔委員 事實上呢 我們的一貫的立場都是 一路走來都是一樣的不管行政院給你什麼壓力喔好 你剛才講呢 一句話聽了有一點不知道怎麼講啦 我覺得總裁是 不知道是人啦 勾引人啦昨天 你剛才講的是什麼 一個聲明 一個什麼 |
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一個商名一個長青一個長青女生名然後那個我給你另外白話文詮釋就是說你的表達方式也許有些人不滿意但是你很真誠你很實在資料很管用這樣對嗎對啦這樣對啦喔我要清釋給你清楚咧對啦對啦 |
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我就說我的口才不好嘛 但是委員的口才非常好啊所以你看看你幾句話就把我想要說的就想要說出來了所以我非常謝謝你 |
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你不要說你口才不好,你說我表達方式大家不一定滿意因為他說我結結巴巴的還有一個就說我是史詩級的結結巴巴他聽了非常害怕 |
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所以我就說我必須要澄清這個場合來澄清啊你會不會我覺得我讓他心生害怕那這好像就是說那市場的人士一聽到我的講話大家都很害怕反而那個預期心理會更強烈沒有啊你看後面這邊反而就是整個消化了啊 |
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你聽了那些的不管哪一個台啦其實這個部分藍綠啦你聽了很生氣是不是我也不是說很生氣因為我總覺得所以我還在說說我還必須要做一個澄清就是我們的新聞那我是要請問你你講話還是有用的啦你講話當然 |
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講話完畢你看三十塊就穩下來也不是你講話有用啦是開心你就下手下去了啊就有調節了啊請問有沒有調節沒有調節我跟委員報告就是說疫情心理很強的時候調節是比較是必要的啊對調節是必要的但是比較沒有用但是啊你看看說讓那個價格下來了以後呢你看看我們的調節就變得非常的順利 |
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那我問你 你是不是外界可以解讀說因為你已經出手了而且你發這麼大的脾氣大概30塊錢可以暫時穩定一段時間可以這樣講嗎 |
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所以30塊錢應該可以穩定一段時間我沒有發那麼大的脾氣啦我只是說跟市場一個訊息就是說到此為止 |
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我跟妳講一個東西啊我都查了資料啦我們現在外匯存底多少錢我們5800億啊5800億一天的外匯交易量多少 |
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我們一天的外交運量 平常就是說 如果說是大概是20億到30億最多是10億啦 大概25億啦25億 要應付這個Taste of Cake啊Taste of Cake 你現在講 突運到底有沒有突運我跟委員報告就是說 我在那個5月5號的記者會 我是講就是說 |
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那個草匯的進來 但是他parking在那邊那什麼意思所以我就說有一點類似那個什麼 類似禿鷹的那樣我警惕他 我警告他那這樣的話事實上就像委員所說的一樣的我們講了有效 |
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他就不會堅持晃動所以最近你看看他買鈔都買了好幾百億啊就他進來就說要買股票 他就乖乖的買股票不能夠趴在那裡等著台幣升值他就說他的目的跟他所不一樣 那這不好 |
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這個你都盯得住吧 都盯得住吧可以啊 我們可以盯得住所以總裁啊 難怪人家這樣子質疑嘛你走不走嘛 五千多 五千八百多億VS一天二三十億 對不對他如果搞怪 你馬上開始阻殺就好了 |
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以前1997年的亞洲金融風暴彭總裁就這樣子啊這樣子接近來給我們阻殺跟他對殺就把他殺掉就好啦是啦我還是謝謝委員的鼓勵我也還是謝謝委員的建議我話還沒講完但是我要強調就是所以可見難怪外界會質疑你 |
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過去你只要那個外匯市場只要台幣1%你大概就會去拋棄了結果這次這樣這次3%4%你動都不動難怪人家說這就是 |
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絕對沒有美國的壓力所以說是因為美國壓力所以外資市場才會做這樣的波動 也不是是因為評論人都說美國施壓 美國一定會怎麼樣怎麼樣結果導致我們出口商還有外資都有一種 |
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特別是我們的出口商所以我們的第六點我們就在講啊我們的第六點就要講到就是說如果說他這樣的疫情心理大家都拋的話到最後傷到的是誰他就傷到他自己啊美國即便沒有施壓啦但最少你心裡有一個壓力你自己有一個壓力因為六月份他們美國要宣布匯率操縱口 |
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6月份要宣布這個按照道理按照正常的應該是在4月底之前不過到目前為止他還沒有他還沒有所以現在不曉得所以你講到這裡的時候就是說我今天看到媒體媒體就是說到6月底6月的時候我們會被宣布為嚴重的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
701.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
匯率操縱國或是後來他標題說嚴重的匯率觀察名單沒有所謂的嚴重不嚴重觀察名單就觀察名單匯率操縱就匯率操縱沒有所謂嚴重的就好像特別對我們台灣所設立的沒有這回事那我覺得因為時間到了我就是問你確定一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
703.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
720.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
就是台灣只是被列為觀察名單絕對不會被列為操縱國對不對我們應該這麼說啦就是說按照以前的標準是那三項我們到目前呢我們就只有達到那 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
722.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
732.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
就經常這樣佔GDP的比重是3%那還有就是說對美國出超過150至於就是匯率的這個部分沒有他又說我們要買貨2%佔GDP的比重沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
737.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
765.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我只能跟最後一句話就是你在那個三趴那個洞一下子一天漲一塊錢你至少沒有出手主要就是你會擔心被列為匯率最重我都一直都一個原則美國有他的一個法定職責譬如說FED他有法定的職責台灣中英行也有法定職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
766.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
780.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
大家就不懂了啊那幾天你怎麼動都不動沒有說不動就不動沒有沒有我們還要適度調節只是說那時候的回完那時候的預期心理呢非常的非理性而且非常強就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
782.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
809.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以你暫時非理性非理性就是那非理性不過現在就是說喔好那這樣價格下來的又他的那個戶的能量呢已經釋放了所以現在我們在超過的話就很順暢我聽你說我見你幾回了你後面那幾回我跟你講對我沒有說服力啦你五千八百億VS一天二三十億你打不過他笑死人啦我跟委員報告啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
814.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
816.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
央行的調節也是要有節制的 |