| IVOD_ID |
161038 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161038 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T09:35:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T09:46:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/26c557d936b203c1f960dabd24e96b1ee0059966c803d0e9ae5f659dc2fb3fa7d636e8736d0e92655ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:24 - 09:46:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、勞動部洪部長申翰、銓敘部施部長能傑就「我國如果要設立國家主權基金，中央銀行與政府相關基金（如四大基金等）所扮演的角色為何？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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主席各位理事官員大家早主席有請央行總裁好 這個央行總裁請 |
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總裁早 總裁新台幣開啟了時速列車模式瘋狂升值5月6日以30.280元作收甚至出現到新台幣兌換28元的狀況連網營都進不去 |
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台灣是出口導向的國家這種過度的升值對我們一點好處都沒有過去央行的態度我們都知道就是主升不主貶但這一次央行卻一反常態已經連續升值好幾天就算央行出手調節升值的狀態也沒有什麼變化沒有什麼趨緩那是不是因為跟剛剛這個談判關稅談判有關 |
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那你預計這一波的升值會多少我再次再跟委員報告我剛剛有一個澄清有一個聲明也許委員沒有聽到基本上是 |
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關稅的談判沒有涉及到會議的問題這個我還是要澄清那第二個就是說我也是要建議就是說在我們的新聞稿裡面就是說市場的評論所以我覺得委員的一個 |
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提問 垂詢我覺得這個是對我們全體都好為了全國的出口商 進口商都好但是涉及到這個匯率的問題我是不是也可以建議就是說我們委員就是說 |
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有些時候因為委員沒有在市場上那我們是每天在盯在市場所以我們知道市場的他的敏感度總裁南韓的央行總裁李昌雍他說亞洲各國的貨幣走勢部分原因是因為美國政府施壓那我們央行總裁你跟他不同調 |
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那也是剛剛這個說法嗎我跟委員報告就是說剛剛委員也有另外委員也有講到李昌雍就是他的Governor這個事實上Governor這個事實上有媒體也是說好像是把他翻譯錯了跟他的原意不是這樣子的我們剛剛對你談判首輪剛剛結束那央行就放手讓新台幣升值 |
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你也不要就是說是放手啦事實上專業也是事實在調整你們沒有共識也沒有協議然後沒有施壓現在確實是難以相信啦所以我就是還是在我所謂說我還是要再澄清我們5月1號5月2號5月2號所以也就是說這兩天是因為市場的預期太強烈了這個你昨天說過了 |
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台幣、新台幣不是全球大量流通的貨幣啦最大的莊家就是你就是我們中央銀行那銀行沒有放行對不對要怎麼樣在短時間之內我跟委員報告啦事實上你都說中央銀行是最大的莊家我跟委員報告事實上市場的力量是很大的 |
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現在市場厲害現在這個跟二三十年以前的事情就完全都不一樣了以前就是中央銀行莊家我們來講啦但是現在就不是了回到這個現況啦過度升值對我國是沒有什麼好處啦我們出口導向嘛對不對那也會因為 |
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把這個進口成本降低然後打壓到國內的產業那這樣子的情況企業面臨獲利下降就會降低成本我跟委員報告啦會議都是聲聲扁扁啦對啦沒有錯我說這樣大幅的上升嘛大幅的分子那未來包括無薪假、裁員、失業率這些問題一定會接連發生嘛現在就發生了嘛委員現在所說的大部分都是負面的啦但是你也沒有想到就是正面的是什麼 |
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如果說委員到國外去旅遊,你的購買力就提高了我們有多少時間可以常常去旅遊?你是工作的時間比較多還是旅遊的時間比較多?你是生產的時間多還是消費的時間多? |
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學者也提到說這波升值會重演1985年匯率作變造成製造業倒閉的產況近期台幣升值過快對這些企業都造成嚴重衝擊如果持續下去 |
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會引發這些內需萎縮還有景氣翻轉的風險那央行到底現在出手了嗎我要跟委員報告事實上我們的企業他的人性非常強 |
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非常強 從COVID-19之後到2024年我們的經濟成長力都比其他國家做好台灣的企業很強 所以就讓他們自己去面對我還是在強調 匯率是有上來一點 |
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董事長 總裁 你在這個崗位對不對 該出手就出手我們專案銀行會盡我們的執著來維持市場的秩序所以說 該出手就出手對 會那個委員 你的這個非常好穩定金融 這就是我們的責任嘛 是不是這樣是是是 沒有錯沒有錯對啦 對啦 好啦 那個總裁請回好不好好 謝謝好 那個主席有請那個國發會高副主委 |
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我們雖然還沒有成立主權基金但是政府基金也有類似的功能那勞保、勞退、國民年金還有退伏基金沒有主權基金之名但有主權基金之實那國發基金也有類似的功能 |
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國發會在2016年間就是已經提出新來幣1000億設立國發基金那政府針對想要從事轉型結構改造併購等可誘發新投資行為的企業組織那所以你認為說副主委你認為說國發基金是否有可能轉型為主權基金簡單的說明好不好好 |
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我想國發基金要轉型為主權基金因為國發基金是按照產創條例設立的那產創條例第29條事實上就是我們要從事產業的創新價值這一點基本上是符合所謂的主權基金裡面的所謂策略性投資為目的的可是因為它不以盈利為目的所以不符合所謂的財務型的主權基金 |
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那第二個呢就是說我們國發基金的資金來源是國庫撥款跟作業盈餘的循環運用那這一塊呢就會受限在主權基金就如果主權基金金額要很大的話那這一塊如果由國庫撥款這一塊可能就會盈餘這個就不夠所以不同的國家主權基金設立的時候他有不同的法源依據啊是是那所以說像我們就是像我們的這個我們剛剛提到了 |
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這些也都要通過預算法、中央營養法或者是公司法、專法這些來設立所以一些學者的看法就是說多數民主化程度比較高的國家會設立專法來規範主權機制的管理 |
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法律的明確規定讓各機關之間的合作跟分工如果要設立主權基金也可以選擇用外匯存底或者是現有的政府基金來進行轉型因為有不同的法源依據跟主管部門所以如果沒有明確的法律依據實在是難以實現就像妳剛剛提到的有些是從 |
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這個稅收盈餘去做一個提撥那要設立主權基金應該要制定專門的法律來規範所以這點你也同意嗎是我同意委員的意見好那如果是這樣子的話我們 |
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主權基金的本質是盈利就是有不同的目的有的基金是所謂財務型的有些是策略型的投資重點就是獲利那它的運作也需要具備一個相當高的獨立性所以說如果主權基金 |
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有時候如果受到政治因素的干擾或者是外交因素那這樣子的話有外交利益或者是政治目的的這樣子來影響他會讓這個主權基金變成說沒有辦法去獨立兼具他的獨立兼具他的市場的一個投資的目的跟標的 |
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所以他必須要有完善的治理跟建議的價格尤其我國啦我國在國際舞台上處境就非常特殊不管是在外交上面面臨的一些挑戰或者是在政治上的這些會受到一些干涉外交的干涉都有那選擇因為這樣子外交的干涉所以我們去選擇某些國家或者是企業來做投資對象 |
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所以這些考量就會跟純粹的一個財務利益互相衝突跟其他國家新加坡的這些這些一個主權基金就不一樣了我想我們可以試我們國內我們自己的情況我們來設定我們設立的部分跟操作的模式如果去實踐如果去實踐找到一個平衡點能夠保持主權基金的專業性跟長期發展這最重要好不好是好謝謝副主委謝謝好謝謝委員 |