| IVOD_ID |
161027 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161027 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T12:36:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T12:46:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e0613cfb50f1634f03104869f6baa92091db4f448269aea9776288fdc86b9d8d4b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:53 - 12:46:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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那在這個當中其實我們也看得到大家做的一個統計的數據那以我來講雖然死亡連署加補件高達202位那非原住民來連署我的高達170多位那不合格件數高達1500多位但是虛假的情勢是零 |
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那台北市選委會他針對這麼大量的不合格他有沒有去發出查對單查詢單我的部分是零那我們不得而知他是怎麼做選擇做判斷但是至少我們可以看到台北市選委會他並沒有原住民鄉區 |
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他的原住民落籍的人口數也不多但是為什麼兩個原住民立委的罷免的連署是由台北市選委會來負責那這個原因其實也沒有被交代過我也不得而知但是我要講的重點是這個就是歸咎於沒有選區劃分 |
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原住民的立委他服務的是全國的選區每一個縣市都有原住民落籍那這件事情其實很困擾那我曾經就這個選區劃分你應該很清楚我之前在內政委員會我質詢不下十次我常常就是問這一些原住民選制的問題 |
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包括被罷免之後原住民是比照複數選區的議員要超過二分之一不得不選這個我過去上一屆也都質詢過很多次那我很關心就是選區劃分為什麼 |
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這是全體我不敢講100%但是至少90%的原住民族人他們非常非常期待為什麼我們原住民的立委要服務那麼大我久久才被服務到一次我也不知道要去哪裡找立委我不能常常看到他 |
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所以這個部分我很關心那我過去呢去年上一屆我問過中選會委員的五個提名人問他們對這件事情的看法我也問過您那我去年12月我問過內政部長劉世芳部長我問他說原住民的選區一定要全國嗎 |
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選區劃分是誰的權責那部長當時說是中選會來定定我說我們的選務機關嗎劉部長很肯定的說是所以我想請教一下主委這個選區劃分到底行不行好 簡單回答好嗎 謝謝 |
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報告委員 目前的選罷法並沒有針對原住民選區在劃分為單一選區有規範這部分如果有共識的話是要透過修法來做處理修哪個法 哪一條選罷法選罷法哪一條 |
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選罷法第35條那另外在憲法的部分以往也有討論就是說憲法增修條文第4條有規定就是我們平地原住民跟山地原住民的立法委員各三人那憲法也沒有一個依據就是比照這個區域立法委員選舉是以單一選區方式來辦理那以前立委一直都是單一選區嗎 |
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是在修憲之後所以為什麼原住民不行所以剛才跟委員報告就是說有涉及到憲法還有我們選法全體的族人我不敢講100%至少90%都非常樂見我們原住民的立委也要單一選區也要做選區劃分那為什麼我們 |
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要像這樣子服務全國其實我要講這個的意思是說好我們來看我過去我也有質詢過很多次那關於這個部分或者是我們因為是比照複數 |
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所以过去要达到二分之一出缺才得以补选所以我过去也有版本我要讲的是说我的版本也没被排进来明天有一个人的版本要进复二读要做立法院长主持的协商那这个地方他是这么修他直接在第七十条修怎么修呢就直接把原住民立法委员加进去 |
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僅僅修補選只做半套因為他沒有去連動修罷免的部分選區劃分的部分那他會變成怎麼樣我想就算強行表決他未來也會面對很多問題像是我們複數選區第一個就是票票不等值嘛他在罷免的時候會遇到票票不等值嘛因為我們看這個圖選舉的時候是一人投一張票 |
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可是罷免的時候我們一個人可以罷三個人因為這個多出來的兩張票就變成是多數罷零少數那遇到補選的時候一樣票票不等值因為我們是複數選區因為選舉的時候全部的選民投出三個人可是補選的時候全部的選民投一個人 |
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所以這個部分如果沒有連動的去考慮那像我的版本我是說英設補選當選門檻超過被罷免人當初得票數確保補選者的民意基礎大於被罷免人至少他去解決民意基礎不同的問題那當然 |
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在二月的時候 前中選會主委也是憲政學者陳英賢他有特別去提醒說選罷法的第75條第二款全國不分區不適用罷免的規定嘛但是被排除這個精神的像原住民立委 |
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他其實是原住民選制是介於區域跟不分區之間而他的全國性質是接近全國不分區所以呢他顯然是為了顧及原住民的特殊性必須別有安排才能保障原住民的權益但是現在 |
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把這兩者罷免混為一談破壞了原來憲政設計的深思熟慮因此他建議於今之際或許只能寄望公民團體將六名原住民立委全部罷免然後全部一人一票重新選舉否則他認為這個滋生的疑慮未來要提請憲法法庭解釋以維護權益 |
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那這樣好啦那議員的複數選區的罷免我就光講十幾個議員你罷掉一席雖然不能補選至少他有十幾十分之一但是你罷掉原住民一個不得補選是三分之一 |
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他讲到底我要讲的是说就是选区划分的问题那我希望说这个部分我们希望中选会也好内政部也好一定要去针对这个部分将联动的复数选区的罢免选区的划分一并检讨为免造成未来宪政的不安定我举个例子好了这一次假设罢免成功 |
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我們的修法只修只要出缺就得以補選那好啊未來每一屆當選的其中兩個立委就去罷掉另外一個立委我們就每一屆上演這個戲碼就好了所以我想這個部分作為選政機關也好選務機關也好不可以讓原住民的立委原住民族人的參政權 |
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一直被大家漠視我很高興雖然我可能有機會被罷免但是我很高興至少求仁得仁心安理得至少這一次很積極的來處理這一件但是你不能做半套啊你選區劃分也要處理啊 |
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我覺得這個連動到的都要修都要把它處理好因為個人被罷免是小事啊制度是千秋原住民的權益是千秋中華民國的憲政體制是千秋主委可以嗎我們要積極啊那我也希望到我的辦公室來跟我做說明好不好這整個未來衍生的問題可以嗎謝謝主委謝謝主席 |