| IVOD_ID |
161025 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161025 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T12:16:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T12:24:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e0620dfcbb87b534e6c04869f6baa92091db4f448269aea97769be7746c6163105b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:40 - 12:24:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席 在黨的委員先進 列席的政府機關所長 官員會長 工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們中選會李主委李主委有請主委好主委辛苦了謝謝 謝謝委員主席主委 我們稍微輕鬆一下你大學的時候有沒有參加過畢業旅行 |
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沒有過 我們大學的時候流行要畢業旅行通常我們畢業旅行的時候 請看下一頁我們通常就會先討論什麼時候要去 去哪裡很重要的 尤其我們要去離島 譬如我們要去澎湖我們就要有一個人擔任領隊 這個領隊很重要因為我們去買團體票 都是以這個領隊作為代表人 |
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那結果呢 我們那時候班上40個人本來張三要當領隊 我們要去畢業旅行後來張三有事不能去那我們要換個人那是否民主程序多數決就即可決定結果呢 我們班上有21個人同意換理事當領隊你覺得這樣的程序符合民主原則嗎 |
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這個各民間團體尤其他不是一個正式的組織我想只要大家有一個共識就是尤其有多數嘛多數人同意說我們換理事當領隊啦好 但是呢往下看 因為講輕鬆的例子比較好理解來如果排除可能的少數是不是民主呢比如說我們現在這個選辦法去年修法的時候呢有內政委員會在審查 |
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內政會有這麼多 有十三位有六位是民進黨的委員那麼另外的七位是國民黨 民眾黨跟無黨籍的委員 |
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那這個時候啊這七個多數呢他們一定多數嘛多數他怎麼表決都會過結果他們排除這六個不讓這六個到參與討論您覺得這六個不見得反對喔但是七個人的意見一樣這六個有可能不同意但是就算通通不同意也不可能推翻多數嘛但是不讓這六個來參與討論這樣算不算民主啊 |
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民主可不可以排除可能的少數牽涉到立法院的內規運作不變評論但是您認為從一般的社會團體來講不管那個可能的少數他的意見是否跟多數一致是不是都應該讓歡迎大家一起來共同討論 |
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畢業旅行那個例子我敢講畢業旅行的例子是不是應該這樣子就是班上四十個人嘛雖然二十一個人同意說請宗家兵擔任領隊但是另外十九個人也可以說那我們還是喜歡那個李靖可以這樣子啦那我們往下看現在來了現在呢我們根據公職人員選舉罷免法第七十六條他的提議書呢必須要有領銜人跟全體提議人一起送案嘛對不對 |
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請問這個領先人的重要性是什麼要買團體保險要偷他來擺嗎這個領先人是什麼意思一階段那個領先人 |
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因為都是有多數包括提議人一階段我們譬如說有4000個人請這個鍾某某當任領銜人就送到我們選委會去嘛是不是那這個領銜人的作用是什麼對選委會的立場來講的話領銜人就是這個團體的一個代表他負責跟選務機關來做對口 |
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所以他有個備位嘛對不對有個備位萬一這個人找不到張生找不到理事有這樣的情況嘛好那一般來講我們這次的罷免提案是不是都很多找很多有名的人像李喬先生像曹新成先生事實上會請這些人來號召讓很多人認同他一起來參與你覺得這個合理嗎 |
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就是找知名的人當領銜人合法的話我們就尊重合法嘛 就是一般會找領銜人 找知名的人好 那我們往下看了現在問題來了那麼更換領銜人要不要詢問全體呢因為我知道目前的法條第八項規定二分之以上書面同意嘛那我這樣講啦我們有四千個人因為 |
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張三他來領銜我們第一階段由張三代表我們群體送了給選委會現在張三有事情不能去要換理事那您規定說那就是原來的四千個人你們只要有一半以上的人同意換理事就OK嘛對不對法律是這樣規定好那這是細部的操作是不是這個更換過程必須四千個人都問啊你們到底要同不同意換成理事至少要告知嘛 |
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因為我第一階段我是四千個人中的假設我是之前的一個連署人今天就算是張三不能當要換理事有沒有可能要告知我需不需要法律上一般來講我有參與一個連署原來的領銜人是張三現在張三有事不能換理事那是不是要告訴我說現在要換理事我知道了那如果我同意我就把同意的回函回過去選委會就拿到說有過半數同意換理事是不是這樣子 |
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法律沒有規定要四千個人都通知沒有法律沒有規定條文上沒有寫但是我說從我們民主的程序上原來這四千個人或者說畢業典禮我們四十個人要去參加畢業典禮今天換領隊不管最後我要不要參加第二階段我要不要去 |
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至少讓我知道現在換領隊吧需不需要那是一個修養的問題那是修養的問題不是法律的問題所以選委會認為我們第76號第8項當中並沒有4000個人由張三來領銜然後交到選委會後續的第二階段我們繼續連署換了理事需要 |
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四千個人中過半數同意如果取得這個過半數的同意要告訴這四千個人如果有過半數同意了我們就可以跟眾人說我們來更換領先人是不是這樣子這個我們管不到管不到另外的那些管不到這些其他的 |
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我們第一個就是二分之一以上的提議人書面同意而且以一次為限所以如果說四千個人當中有兩千零一個你們拿到同意就不用管那一千九百九十九個他的不同意所以他不知道也沒有影響我們要查對了你們要查對誰 |
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查對這兩千零一個是否同意嘛但是你們不會去問那一千九百九十九個是不是同意 不需要 不會 不會完全不需要 不會好 來我們最後的結論啦就是說我現在呢要跟我覺得呢這個就是我們今天法律的問題啦我剛剛說從民主的一個原理 |
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基本上如果領銜人在第一階段是代表我們全體提議人法律上也允許他做更變更那麼既然第一階段我參與的連署人我知道我們是誰來當領銜今天在繼續進行二階的時候這個領銜要更換 |
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我也同意 多數決 應該過半數同意就OK所以我們根據剛剛那個78條呢 取得過半數同意是可以但是是否應該要讓4000個人都知道我覺得這個法律上的定定啊 未並周詳啊主委 你覺得我們選辦法如果繼續的完善化讓罷免制度更完善 不要鬧人畫餅 |
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是不是我們未來在通知第一屆聯署人的時候如果有變更領銜人的情況之下是應該要讓全體都知道我們要變更同意的拿過來我們依法辦理 是否這樣大院如果認為這樣子合適的話經過修法通過我們就具以辦理好 謝謝主委 謝謝 |