| IVOD_ID |
161023 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161023 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T11:55:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T12:07:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e063b27b6c38785027b04869f6baa92091db4f448269aea977600ff06c9c86dfe3d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:55:57 - 12:07:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席本席有請李主委李主委有請主委好今天中選會業務報告那當然本席時間不多我想就現在我們 |
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全國正在進行的罷免但是不是就這次案例我想主委你一定了解選舉罷免創制複決是人民的權利那罷免呢這個對象從立法委員到縣市長到鄉鎮市長各級民意代表縣市議員鄉鎮市民代表甚至里長都是在罷免的範圍內所以我們但是因為罷免在台灣的案例不多 |
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所以可能也有很多大家不了解甚至也許 |
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我們並不是法令也不一定完善的部分所以本席今天特別提出一些部分因為時間不夠有幾個部分特別提出來也跟這個主委這邊來討論首先第一個就是我想主委您應該是認同你等一下可以回答看是不是認同您是中選會所以整個中選會的業務很重要的你的公平性跟正確性是不是很重要 |
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这一直是我们的核心的价值对因为尤其这个影响到选举罢免创制复决所以公平性非常重要所以如果谈到罢免的话罢免案的形成它是要联署两阶段的联署对那但是联署很容易有伪造的情势我想卓伟也认同所以你这个伪造有各式各样譬如超名单或代签名这个是有没有罪的 |
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抄名單帶簽名對然後成為他的聯署書來源是抄名單帶簽名有沒有對我想這根據一般的常識既然是偽造的應該會牽涉到刑事責任刑事責任對所以主委也也也知道那像這個很多罷免團體他可能不知道他隨隨隨隨便的抄那像這一塊中選會 |
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這個有沒有什麼防範的我們就是當然我們希望我們要求每一份連署書他都是真正的都是當事人他自己簽名或蓋章你們怎麼要求是那我們就所以法律上就有所謂的查對的制度我們在第一階段也要進行查對第二階段的連署也要進行查對 |
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那今天你查對你只是剔除他最後他也沒有刑責啊被你查到他有刑責嗎查到的會有刑責喔不是你你查對的時候你剔除剔除的可能有些是偽造的被你剔除我們會把這些案件移送給檢查機關他們去繼續偵辦剔除的你都會送送檢不是就是有偽造的情形一般所謂的死前連署 |
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包括道科印章包括偽造簽名這個都是可能還有抄名單抄名單這就是用抄襲的抄名單看狀況抄名單你如果只是抄上面這一部分你沒有去幫他簽名的話這是另外一個問題抄名單但是連簽就是最重要是簽名還有幫他蓋章就是自己去刻章或者是幫他代簽這個是有問題的是有問題 |
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有刑責的有刑責好OK那另外就是在罷免案的形成的時候那有這種欺騙詐騙的情況好像這個大家最近聽到的他上面說利用民眾的同情心說凱開案很多家長都覺得非常的痛心這個凱開案要怎麼樣你要來連署結果底下是罷免的連署這種有沒有問題 |
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這個我們查對無從查對起所以如果有這種情形它是否牽涉到犯罪相關的當事人他可以尋求司法的解決 |
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但是当事人并不知道所以本席要跟你讲就是说你在整个罢免案形成的时候有很多的伪造甚至欺骗诈骗的情况因为民众所以你在核实所以我们要提到就是说你在查核查对的时候你一定要非常的落实因为有些人他签完他觉得我今天是因为凯凯案我签啊我不知道我签了罢免所以像这种 |
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可能也很多你今天你都用同樣的手法可能今天十張你十個人就被騙了簽署這個聯署書我們沒有辦法去審核他的動機我們只能夠就他的真假來進行查對對所以有些那所以在這個徵詢函詢的部分是不是應該落實而且可以擴大 |
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我們還是按照法律的規定所以按照現有應該說現有法律的規定對 按照現有法律的規定覺得有疑慮的因為查對人員有他一定的專業如果他根據他的專業去判斷有偽造的嫌疑的時候那他就可以發查詢單好 那再來剩下一點時間本席想請教有關這個惡意的謠言 |
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在罷免期間呢很多這種謠言或是抹紅栽贓塗黑的行為他都躲在言論自由的背後躲在言論自由的大傘之下這種情況您的看法怎麼樣那一部分我們是管不到 |
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我們照顧的是有很多有關於選務的錯假訊息謠言在攻擊選務機關的公正那這部分呢我們都會立即來做澄清來做說明好那如果這樣的話本席請教你一下你看一下這個有關預算法第83條有準備嗎您看一下您看一下您看一下這樣的修法我們 |
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立法我們行政院還可以提預算特別預算嗎應該還是可以吧還是有特別預算吧這個好像跟這個跟我們的不是啦我是以你法學專業法學專業那你看了一下這個法條你來判斷一下人家跟你說這個修法修下去可能我們都不可能有特別預算了你認同嗎 |
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在行政院的团队里面各有所失我跟行政院没关我现在是纯粹看这个法条您本身法学背景法学素养的吗我在这个时候你避重就轻你不想查你对很多的谣言你这样是变相的对选务的部分我来负责做说明基本的判断嘛 |
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所以現在我們的中選會對於整個社會上用言論自由然後但是進行栽贓抹黑抹紅謠言你們完全沒束手無策我這個時候就不能夠去介入不能夠去干預不能夠去在乎我這個時候就是要完全維持選務的中立選罷法104條是什麼你知道嗎 |
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不知道 那要加強一下 選辦法是什麼 惡意謠言的部分它雖然有規範 你有沒有覺得非常的模糊 |
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選辦法104條您的看法怎麼樣就是按照法律來規定的執行有違反法律的規定的那就必須要受到處罰 |
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所以有散布谣言或传播不实之事这种就可以处五年以下有期徒刑那你们会执行吗有发现有这些谣言有人跟你们告发之后跟你们提出你们会告发你们会判定之后告发吗我们执行职务发现有这些状况的话那我们是必须要告发那受害者可以跟你们反映吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
568.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
575.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
不必繞個圈子,直接跟檢察官反應都快所以中選會現在等於對於整個選務你也沒有辦法這個讓整個選罷法的執行能夠比較落實啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
589.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
602.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
這個是屬於司法處理的範圍之內當然我們作為執行公務的機關發現有犯罪嫌疑我們是可以告發的最後因為時間的關係你身為中選會的主委你有沒有發現台灣現在非常亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
608.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
610.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
謠言滿天飛你有沒有這種感覺我盡量就是能夠避開這些紛紛擾擾我要求我們的選委人員所以你是中選會的主委你完全不管現在整個你要承辦的業務他在這個過程中的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
627.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
628.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我聚焦在維護我們選務的完整選務的中立而不受任何外力的干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
641.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
656.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
包括謠言的最後那您對於所有所有的這個查對第二階段第一階段第二階段查核查對罷免案的查核查對您你們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
658.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
680.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這個承諾一定都會嚴格不是嚴格就是核實如實查核按照法律規定你們一定如實查核沒有任何一點這個輕忽或者是草率隨便的查我們全國的選務工作夥伴包括資源的人員都會盡心盡力按照法律的規定來執行職務 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
683.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
700.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
好很好全民也都希望而且罷免罷免從這段時間開始全國有這種罷免的聲音本席相信之後各級民意代表可能大家對罷免已經慢慢熟悉了就像以前選舉大家不熟悉後來熟悉了對選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
702.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
720.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
未來可能罷免的這個部分在各級民意代表都有可能發生所以我們主要就是對於罷團我們也要保障他們的這個權益還有被罷免人我們都希望所以我們希望中選會能夠真的把這個整個選務可以做好好 謝謝委員 |