| IVOD_ID |
161017 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161017 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T11:33:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T11:43:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e06dac33dc0fd4a03cb6a086056f51b23eb3464f2517af749f019d60a91c10e9f3c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:09 - 11:43:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關文化部主管預算解凍案49案。
二、邀請文化部部長李遠列席就「藝文票券黃牛防制現行成效」進行專題報告並備質詢。
(如文化部主管預算解凍案49案經各黨團簽署同意不予復議，則僅處理文化部主管預算解凍案49案。)） |
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有請部長好 有請部長 |
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部長好葉委員你好部長我也是想要來請教一下延續剛剛那個輔導金因為我們是有列另外一個標準就是用市佔率就是看他的票房 |
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當然以票房來講的話這是前十名可不可以一樣就是提供我一個報告就是講一下為什麼有的電影它是有領到輔導金然後是領多少然後標準是什麼這樣子好不好今天不用回答了就是事後再給個書面報告這個也是我們本身文化不該重新去想那個機制啊對對對所以謝謝你問這個因為我們看到市占率比較高的電影就是票房比較好的電影好像都沒有來申請輔導金 |
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那有的可能是他認為他來申請也申請不到啦所以就放棄申請啦那也有的可能是沒有給那有的是領到之後 領到輔導金票房很好那有的可能是領到輔導金票房不好所以我想要依票房順序可不可以提供給我們一個資料 說明資料好 謝謝第二個我想還是想講一個我滿關心的黃牛的議題 |
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之前文化部兩千多萬打黃牛辦公室後來我們都沒有凍結也沒有刪除就是希望文化部打黃牛這塊可以非常認真去做那三月多的時候我有去 因為我們有執行執行結果發現裁罰量在三月的時候裁罰量是145件其實比例是很低 |
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那今天是已經到五月初了大概過了一個多月那裁罰量增加到160件大概一個多月只增加15件全台灣喔黃油的裁罰量只有增加15件我也是非常的不滿意啦那等一下再請部長回答啦有一個地方政府的局長他是在媒體上面公開的把問題點出來他說 |
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因為地方的人力不足以桃園來講人力大概就只有兩個人所以結案率很低目前結案不到三分之一所有結案應該是中央打黃油辦公室收案之後分案分給桃園那分給桃園的案子他們到現在結案 |
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不到三分之一那也不是說他們不認真他們非常認真但是人力就不足啊而且中央分給他們的案子裡面後來發現無效案件高達四成等於是花了很多時間在查無效案件 |
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那其中還有一個問題就是他們需要很多不同的機關的支持例如說他們需要警察的支持他們還要去問當事人然後甚至於還要去問售票系統那售票系統會不會願意把資料給他們這也是一個很大的問題所以困難重重啦地方沒有什麼人力所以現在他們桃園是直接跟中央要人 |
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那我的了解應該不是只有桃園有這樣的狀況因為機制是一樣的嘛中央接到案子之後由打黃牛辦公室來分案分給地方去查然後最後做裁罰 |
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如果地方現在面臨人力不足所以黃油票在查的速度比較慢然後一直沒有辦法結案請問一下 我問一下那個部長能不能調整一下這個人力分配啊既然你們都已經編了兩千多萬成立打黃油辦公室在中央那中央這個打黃油辦公室能不能分擔一些地方的負擔部長 |
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我想你剛才講到桃園市政府這一點我們能夠做的就是我們評估一下他們需要什麼經費其實我們的經費也不多啦評估一下他需要什麼協助因為我們對於地方上我們有個法律諮詢單位也做過教育訓練一個是法律知識 一個是人力那人力在地方上不足這是普遍的現象 |
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我們的文化不能做就是知道他需要什麼我們能不能幫助這個應該不會只有桃園有這個狀況因為我們剛剛看到全國的整個黃流票的裁罰量就是很少嘛一個多月只剩下15件主要是他的那個裁罰過程非常的繁複那中央已經花兩千多萬都成立那個打黃流辦公室啊那這個打黃流辦公室不能多負擔一點工作嗎為什麼他們只負責收案跟分案 |
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然後是由律師事務所承接對 然後其實他們也可以初步也可以做一些查詢的工作嘛不見得全部都要都丟給地方去做啊 |
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我們人力也不太夠耶怎麼你們都編那麼多錢成立打黃牛辦公室 國家隊耶他主要是那個程序沒有啦 我們現在是把這個問題提出來因為黃牛大家都深惡痛絕那不要因為什麼中央地方權責什麼人力這種東西讓黃牛沒辦法打下去嘛這其實影響的是消費者的權益啦 |
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因為打黃牛這也是文化部既定政策而且我們文創法也修了嘛法律也有配套所以現在應該思考說在質詢過程如何讓它更完美嘛那現在的問題就是第一結果確實不好因為增加的件數不多第二個其實是卡在人力不足造成結案率很低這些問題我們都看到了所以當然文化部應該針對這些問題提出一個解決的方法嘛才能讓打黃牛這個事情比較順利啦 |
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長遠看的話這個問題應該是有地方上編預算把這個人力再補助長遠怎麼樣我希望說你們去找地方政府討論啦因為現在你也不能說中央怪地方地方怪中央然後事情沒得做然後大家黃牛就是一直存在我覺得這的確是一直存在好不好這個部長我希望快一點啦因為文創法也修法也好幾年了嘛 |
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這個可不可以提出一個檢討的報告出來可以嗎部長可不可以檢討報告不好意思委員這邊是希望我們跟地方大聲一點我聽不見委員這邊是希望我們再跟地方政府討論一下現在問題已經提出來給你們了啊然後對啊你總是要提出一個解決的方法出來嘛可以嗎 |
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多久其實黃柳的問題從我來上任以來委員你大概記得吧您的質詢一直在問黃柳其實我們已經到了行政院層級開了很多會然後跟每個部位都討論過 |
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最後我們能夠執行就是就到地方去找每一個場館拜託在實名制的時候現在結果就是這樣嘛不然我們會一直在循環這些查證啊 警察抓完之後抓要罰錢啊然後他再來輸院啊不是 他會罰 |
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不要去找理由啦 不想聰明的人找方法啦好不好現在的問題就是沒有解決那請大家針對問題想到一個方法來解決就是這樣子好不好 想一個解決方案出來啦盡快啦好不好 不想好 盡快這個 叫你想一個方法解決問題本來就是你的工作啊 這個不是我對啊 它本來就是你的工作啊這個本來就是個難題 譬如說要處理啦 不然我們文創法是修心酸的喔 |
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那現在就是卡在說人力不足然後結案率不到三分之一啊他結案率的問題太明顯了而且這個全國都這樣因為我剛剛講一個全國數字嘛我剛剛講全國數字一兩個月還增加15件而已那麼多人在檢舉好啦 部長這個問題要解決了這絕對不會是在為難你啦這真的是要解決的問題啦然後再來我提醒幾件事情 |
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第一個是我們在平台上面賣黃牛票的狀況可能還是蠻嚴重可能要請你了解一下這個是六月份五月天的演唱會它的票在它的賣票系統上面都已經官方已經完售了可是我們有發現一個以前曾經媒體有報導過一個跨國的 |
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票券的販售平台你可以看到他還是在這個平台上面還是買得到五月天的票喔而且一張票可以賣到九千塊啊這個很擺明就是黃油票因為有加價出售嘛那這個因為我不想幫這個平台打廣告所以我就把這個平台 |
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隱蔽在上面討論演唱會門票的人是非常的踴躍而且曾經在2018年的時候有媒體報導過這個平台當時是直接把這個平台定位為黃牛票網站那我想因為2023年之後因為我們文創法修之後可能沒有那麼猖獗已經不敢那麼明目張膽但是他還是繼續以一個那個門票販售平台的形式經營只是平台形式經營就是會出現黃牛票 |
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所以這個我們會後再提供給文化部啦像這種媒體報導過的然後民眾也關注的很知名的類似的平台文化部應該會有相關的訊息啊我不知道為什麼連這種東西都沒有我們其實剛委員問的就是我們找過速發部去研究 |
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檢舉裡面有7個常見的售票帳號有22篇文章速發部也協助我們把它下架基本上我們在剛剛委員所提的問題其實我們有非常努力的用各種方式去防堵包括其他部會的合作還有警政單位你們可以建議速發部成立一個APP因為他們之前有做一個打炸APP打了APP就是讓民眾去檢舉去APP檢舉然後他立刻會找相關單位回覆說這是不是一個詐騙 |
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其實也可以弄一個APP就是打黃牛的只要有人看到黃牛資訊就趕快去APP他就可以自動回覆啊好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝葉元智 |