| IVOD_ID |
161013 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161013 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T11:13:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T11:23:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e0691f299beab592cfe115e7528c8151ef53464f2517af749f008cdbbd6f32ddafb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:38 - 11:23:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部調查局局長、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心指揮官、內政部警政署署長、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「臺灣遭聯合國警示為東亞、東南亞跨國詐欺集團據點之檢討與防範，及打詐四法與相關子法施行後之具體成效」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【5月5日及7日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們請這個法務部的政部長麻煩部長 |
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委員好來 部長好 辛苦了這個本席先請教那有一位政治人物他講這個與其去打壓罷免不如來好好的來打炸那你對這句話的看法怎麼樣謝謝委員那個打炸是非常非常重要的那這個罷免這個是因為腐蝕人民那個民主政治的儲值所以是非常重要而且你圍繞一個鼠鴨救一個被害人 |
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那圍繞很多人這可能會影響很多的民主政治他我們用票選出來的這些的候選人那我想這個嚴重影響這個民主政治的因為我們是一個民主一個是一個透過選舉罷免讓我們人民的參政權 |
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能夠落實這才是民主法治國家那委員剛剛講的說這樣的有些關心那個打仗當然我們打仗的確是很嚴重權勢很重而且我們在台灣我們不希望打仗成為全民之痛所以我們將心比心我們雖然沒有被騙但是因為我們的辦案人員能夠體系說這個詐騙這個是讓我們的社會的穩定 |
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非常的嚴重所以我們是全力的打詐所以部長意思是說去查偽造連署的去查死人連署的跟打詐是一樣重要嗎都非常重要都一樣重要一個是侵蝕這個我們民主法制的基礎那另外詐騙呢死不安定嘛 |
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每個人不管是你本身或是說你的親朋好友可能都有類似這個案件那我就來問你 因為今天的題目有提到說這個聯合國毒品跟犯罪問題辦公室它有一個infraction point這個報告那早上有很多委員都問過那因為還有提到說是台灣那我先請問一下這份報告到底真實性如何 |
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那跟他上面所提到不論是幫派或是說這個線上的博弈這個BG1 BG2等等之類的你們有去了解這個整個情況是怎麼樣嗎那如果跟他所描述的不實的話有沒有管道去做澄清跟說明 |
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那這部分的確說來自聯合國毒品及犯罪問題的一個辦公室下載的但這些報告有說明這份報告雖然是由員工跟專家編寫但內容沒有經過正式的編輯跟確認所以不代表這個辦公室的當然它不代表是另外一回事我是說它寫的這個東西有沒有符合現實的狀況 |
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這個沒有符合現實的就是說它所寫描述的東西它這個都是跟台灣你們所了解的現實的是不是完全是不一樣的是不一樣的而且這裡面的話它是沒有政府關鍵文件所以這個一個立場雖然是有提到說什麼涉及到毒品那個詐欺什麼幫派的但是這裡面也沒有人名也沒有那個公司名所以我們也試圖去了解去注意當然我們一直持續在注意 |
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所以就像哈索提到說有什麼這個線上博弈BG1 BG2然後了解一些幫派等等你們 據你們了解沒有像他這一個這個調查局我們也是請調查局有就一個了解嘛當然有些三合會的那一部分當然我也做一個法辦了嘛但也不是因為這份報告我們才去法辦而且我們一直持續在注意幫派那如果像部長所講就是說哈索裡面所這些報告的內容其實 |
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那如果說這個是跟現狀不符的話有沒有管道去做澄清跟說明因為這個其實這個報告出來那不管怎麼樣因為他是掛一個聯合國的一個報告嘛一個毒品犯罪問題這個辦公室的一個報告有沒有管道去澄清跟去說明 |
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目前台灣的狀況是怎麼樣我想我們在查證後我們再做一個澄清那我想如果有的話那我們當然要檢討不論是法務部調查局或是警政署要做檢討那如果沒有的話我認為還是要去做個說明因為這對於台灣的這個形象會有影響還把這個台灣跟這些東南亞一些國家掛在一起那好像說我們台灣的這些問題跟他們一樣有嚴重啊 |
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而且他是掛一個POC 這個是對我們非常不友善的這又是另外一個問題啦那另外我想請教一下 那個我們這個馬市長 你現在是這個哪吒中心的指揮官嘛那部長這個先請回 |
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這個五月四號媒體有披露說這個詐團利用這個監理服務網的電子郵件然後說你這個民眾有交通違規預期的那附一個email給你然後點進去之後那其實就是一個釣魚的網站然後要收集你的個資那其實我在四月初的時候就收到澄清 |
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就是說他有交通違規但是有交通違規呢他是3月20號他說他沒有做任何的繳款動作暫時在4月4號就收到詐騙的信件所以他高度懷疑啦那會不會說是我們的這個監理所其實也被我不知道是被入侵了被駭客入侵了還是說詐團就是說我們的監理所跟詐團之間是不是有某種程度的配合就是說民眾違規這件事情 |
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然後呢他過沒多久他就收到一個一個詐騙的一個信件就是說啊你已經違規了那奇怪了那怎麼詐騙會知道這種違規的事情你們有沒有去了解我跟委員報告我們有收到我們有收到類似的案件那每一次我們收到類似案件基本上我們都會請當事的部會我們會列管而且去找清楚原因那就這個問題這個問題的背後當然一定是跟個資外協有關但是他的管道我們現在還不知道 |
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因為對於這個監理單位的這個包括有停車費的問題也包括有剛剛委員提到罰單的問題那我們最近還有很多民眾接到就是醫院要領藥這樣的一個訊息其實我們現在都有在每一次接到這樣的類似的個案的時候我們都會對外發布新聞說明就是有這樣的個案請民眾要注意那當然是一個...這個真的是事後了啦我那時候你要去查 |
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他就說那為什麼像監理單位或是說像醫院這些個資會外洩因為這些個資外洩就表示說這有可能是潛在的被詐騙的一些對象啊對所以這個部分跟委員報告我們會跟行政院各支處的籌備處來合作去處理這個問題那所以呢到現在還沒有找到原因在哪裡就對了 |
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我們可能後續我們跟那個各支會討論確認以後我們跟委員回報因為他後面的原因蠻複雜的這樣子因為我是比較擔心就是說因為他是監禮站那當監禮站有民眾會覺得說那是公家機關所以他給的一些訊息有些人就是覺得說啊好啦那既然有這個未違規了然後既然有一個這麼簡便的一個方式我可以直接線上交款那可能就被詐騙了啦 |
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所以這部分的話我是希望說不論是這個我們的監理站或是說其他我們很多的公家機關我都很擔心都已經各自外洩了這個已經被這個詐團攻陷了那所以我們很多這個民眾的各自都外流那淪為被詐騙的潛在的對象那我覺得這部分要去查清楚你講那個發布什麼新聞那個都是事後的啦 |
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對委員這個部分個案能不能把資料給我們我們就直接來處理因為從個案可以追到很多的通案好啊沒問題啊我們每一次只要接到個案我們都會從個案去追通案好所以我這個個案會給你啦好那我不好意思我最後再請教一下這一個正部長齁這個簡單問一下不好意思這個齁 |
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貴婦奶奶她這個逃亡七年 吸金上億然後前幾天回來投案那吸金上億結果呢 就兩百萬就交保那她的那個 好像是她的公公吧好像之前也回來投案 五十萬就交保那這個民眾會覺得說 那你詐騙吸金上億然後你花個兩百萬就可以交保那後續這些錢也可能追查不回來啊 |
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就民眾會覺得說 那奇怪了 那所以這個詐騙是一門好生意嗎我可以吸金上業人 然後反正我交保就只有兩百萬那最後刑責 也不知道怎麼樣啦那我就覺得說 這方面的話 對於民眾來講社會觀感是非常的不好啦 |
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局長這個交保金是回來投案之後就給他交保兩百萬那檢察官給他限制出境出海給他做電子監控那我想是不是要羈押我想這個我也只能說我尊重沒有我是尊重啦我是講說整體的社會觀感我沒有去介入說這一個到底是兩百萬還是五百萬還是一千萬我不是指這個意思我的意思是說現在為什麼詐騙集團這麼犯呢原因之一就是說他很容易交保 |
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然後交保金也很低然後呢 刑責可能也不重那所以說會演變成是說那大家覺得說這個好像投報率很高我想委員的這個寶貴反映民眾的聲音我想陳判決他應該會聽得到好啦 就反映一些民眾的聲音給你們啦好 謝謝 加油啦好 謝謝 |