| IVOD_ID |
161006 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/161006 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T10:01:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T10:11:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e069ccc83fd463ee42304869f6baa92091d3464f2517af749f0c72e5195eda2e44e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:26 - 10:11:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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我請主委李主委有請 |
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主委那個選委會當然是一個中立的機關選委會也是辦選政的重要的機關對不對是選委會雖然有主委但主委可以決定所有的事情嗎我們是一個委員制的機關 |
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對嘛你們是要開委員會去做所有的事情的決議吧對不對那這些委員其實是社會賢達然後各黨各派什麼的其實都有人在裡面吧學有專精而且有社會公信力對嘛所以很多的事情不是主委說的算吧那當然對嘛所以是要尊重 |
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整個委員會的一個制度所以不是什麼事情主委就可以講因為這個裡面在開會這個每個人的意見社會賢達學友專精的人每個人都可以提出意見然後做出最後的決定所以有時候要主委說什麼你跟內政部長跟什麼是不一樣的是不是 |
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立場是不一樣吧是沒錯啦好所以啊很多的事情啊並不是在這邊說主委說怎樣因為最主要還是委員會的制度不過齁我先有幾個問題我今天看了你們這個業務報告 |
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你們還有參與國際選舉組織活動我知道我們台灣的選委會其實在國際選舉組織裡面我們算是創始會員之一吧是我們兩個組織都是創始會員預算被刪成這樣你們還能去嗎你還有錢去嗎 |
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比較拮据一點但是我們是排除萬難因為因為我們的會籍還是會被挑戰所以我們是用積極參與的這個態度來確保跟其他各會員國之間的關係來確保維護我們的會員的權利 |
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對啊對啊我知道啊我們是創始會員國之一啊你如果長一天到晚都不去到時候被處級怎麼辦所以我才會問說那你們的預算被刪成這樣那你們現在可以去嗎 |
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比較拮据一點,但是今年我們還是排出萬能,還是兩批兩批都有參加,還好今年在菲律賓啦,比較省那在澳洲就不知道了啦,在歐洲就無法參加了嘛是,今年兩個會都在菲律賓對,我知道那還有你們有一個辦理選務幹部人員講習是我想先請問一下 |
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所有的各縣市的民政局長或民政處長是不是都是選委會的總幹事啊 |
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總幹事照規定就是民政局處的首長或者是副首長副主管對嘛齁幾乎這個法律規定民政局長大部分都是兼選委會總幹事真正辦理選舉的是民政局長這個總幹事要去辦理選舉嘛對不對主任委員縣市首長掛主任委員或是他要讓誰掛其實 |
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他也沒有直接的參與他當然要直接參與也是可以但地方也是委員制嘛對不對不過我看你們你們寫這樣但我看報紙不只民縣市啦有的縣市他的局長又兼總幹事又什麼的那結果 |
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他有一些行政不...我們先不講法律問題啦有一些行政不中立的情況出現诶主委你有沒有注意到 |
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我們基本上都予以尊重跟信任因為選務的辦理需要地方政府大力的協助才能夠成功所以我們對於兼任主任委員的山長對於兼任總幹事的民政首長我們都是予以充分的尊重 |
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那當然啦我們也知道我們也知道因為他畢竟專業並不是在選務方面所以有關於選務法令有關於選舉實務的運作也許他們並不是非常的熟悉所以所以我們專職在地方專職的副總幹事他就必須要負起這個責任隨時提供正確的資訊 |
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給主任委員給總幹事讓他們能夠在合法的情況之下來帶動我們的選務 |
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那我我就講比較白一點如果民政局長他用復一證復證系統去查資料這樣有沒有違反結果又是選委會去審查這些資料這樣子對行政上來講你認為這個選委會的中立會不會被質疑 |
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地方選委會它依法是必須受中央選舉委員會的指揮跟監督所以雖然大部分的選務是在地方來辦理但是中選會不是在那邊營營其實我們都盯著都聯絡各地的選委會我們都有專屬的窗口每天了解當地選務進行的狀況 |
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如果有發現這個可能有一些違反法令的狀況疑慮的話我們都會加強溝通 |
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哇 這個不是發現啊媒體都登了啊對不對 媒體都登了那麼大啦也不是發現啊 對不對我為什麼那一部分 那一部分現在媒體登的看到的那一部分現在都還沒有還沒有涉入到我們的選務機關我們的選舉的業務裡面都還沒有欸 主委 這樣子講我就有點不認同 |
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從一開始就是造假然後呢造假的人本身又是民政處長然後他又兼選委會總幹事這是違法的部分對啊那違法的部分這個都已經很明確了他到時候他又是在審查的一個機關如果是指特定的縣市的話他已經不是我們的總幹事了 |
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我知道現在已經不是了啦不是現在在前一個案子就已經不是對他現在已經不是但我為什麼要特別提出這一個其他個縣市你保證都沒有嗎 |
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我信任啦 我也相信所有的公務人員不管他兼任 他專職都應該能夠把持行政中立這個不變的原則我覺得啦 主委 我一開始就跟您說中選會是選政機關 不是選務機關 |
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但選務機關幾乎都在各縣市直接執行但你也是可以直接監督的你不能讓一些事情一直發生這樣子會造成什麼後果你以後辦選舉人家會質疑所有的公信力一件一件這樣下來如果中選會也都沒有任何的作為處理你會造人民會對未來你的選舉 |
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會不會有充分信任這一點一定要跟委員報告現在所有牽涉到違法的部分事實根據都是我們選務機關負責盡職所查出來的所抓出來的所以我們有盡到責任我不是說你沒有盡到責任我不是說你沒有盡到責任 |
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所以我們還是會把關嘛你除了把關之外我剛特別想到你們辦理選務什麼講座這些你除了三聲五令之外其實你對他也沒有直接的 |
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一個指揮的權限或什麼但該有的懲處該有的什麼其實也應該要做啊中選會不會無為啦我們有我們的作為我知道所以主委我只是提醒你這樣你不要到時候我們的選舉或什麼會變成民眾的不信任我覺得是會這樣因為選舉最怕的就是舞弊從以前的作票 |
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灌票這選舉最擔心的就是舞弊那這次的很多的事情如果你要給他從法律上來看造假什麼的那就是舞弊了所以我覺得很多的事情要讓大家知道說對或不對我只是提醒你不要到後來大家對選委會各地的選舉產生不信任這我是 |
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比較擔心的是未來台灣幾十年的這個選舉的運作我擔心的點是這裡啦 |