| IVOD_ID |
160998 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160998 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T10:51:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T11:03:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0a74d2e02c378e06542c7d326e6f8d0f1c005f00a3db85f73464f2517af749f0eedc1de391cb15195ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:51:22 - 11:03:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長、經濟部次長、國家發展委員會副主任委員報告「美國對等關稅政策對僑台商全球布局之挑戰，及我政府協助僑台商之具體策略與措施」，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席麻煩委員長王委員你好委員長我在開始今天題目之前我還是要提醒我剛才有聽陳冠廷委員提芝加哥這個事情是我只提醒一個原則就是 |
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很多台橋以前是不喜歡跟橋尾會站在一起是都不跟官方接觸的不是官方特別橋尾會就不想跟橋尾會站在一起所以這一次發生有所謂的橋尾會的志工 |
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這個剛剛我解釋過那是誤會不管是誰去Photoshop那個圖其實在美國在台灣這種事情都已經很罕見了不應該去做所謂言論審查那這個如果是誤會解釋清楚那我覺得一個在美國發生的波瀾跟我們之間的友好的一個活動 |
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不要因為這些事情去抹殺了很多人的用心我今天要請教我們委員長第一個題目是有關對等關稅的部分當然這不是你主責的啦經濟部跟我們現在談判辦以及鄭麗君副委員長現在正在美國華府那我也剛從那邊回來我現在是就我們僑委會相關的部分僑委會沒包雙包害啦關稅也不是你在管的 |
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但是因為我看你們的報告書裡面有說有看到來這個影像不見了可能後面那個 |
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好,這個喬委會本身的報告就說,你們有向台商進行相關的了解,你們目前了解的情況怎麼樣?因為這一次對等關稅,東南亞是一大塊,中國的台商不歸你們管,在東南亞的台商,你們目前聽到的訊息是什麼? |
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我們其實在4月2號之後呢一個禮拜後我們就針對各國的台商會長先發一個前期的這個結論是什麼因為時間有限結論因為各國狀況很不一樣那所以大家都現在對於這種不確定性的狀況後來因為宣布了90天或 |
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這個暫停可是大家對於這個目前的狀況覺得很不確定的情況下都會暫停下單或者暫停出貨避免風波4月2號的liberation day那一天是很多人暫停下單到4月9號宣布有70個國家左右90 days post |
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那個天開始其實是即單喔是即單不是暫停喔就是說趕快趕快把我Christmas要的你90天內搶到船位送過來因為那個90天內是所以4月份這個確實container是很對 |
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所以你該講說現在是單子沒有單或冷凍不太一樣啦現在應該是搶90天內的單而台灣是前面四個國家優先在談判的一旦確定從90 days pause移到 |
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Permanent 永久性的暫停的話當然對台灣是利多的消息我還是回到我們交友會的業務跟委員報告 其實是有業別的差異剛剛講的這個Christmas 比較是這個我只是舉例啦我現在意思說你們對東南亞東南亞因為他的形態上我們會分業別的差異性就是說他是鞋子的或者是成衣的你們這個調查報告有沒有出來 |
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這個是第一階段只是先問會長接下來五月六月我們兩個月份會針對各州開始普發問卷這個東西訊息萬變你如果先問出來的東西沒有馬上變報告下個禮拜變垃圾沒用了因為搞不好川普又宣布一個新的或者是間接性的關係比方說要洗產地那中國跟這個東南亞國家之間產生什麼樣關稅的關係馬來西亞就宣布啦 |
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所以內地宣布對供應鏈它的component是從中國過來到馬來西亞組裝最終市場在美國的跟直接在馬來西亞生產的又不一樣所以我說你們調查報告我只看到一句話說有去了解但是這些報告如果沒辦法快速的彙整我給你一個具體建議跟經濟部合作 |
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因为这讯息变得很快那现在我们在东南亚投资其实已经超越中国成为是比中国还要大的投资市场那美国是第一大然后第二大是对东南亚中国以前占比最大我们对外投资以前中国大概占市场欧盟也增加非常多现在我们对中国的投资只剩下个位数7%多第一大投资对目标国是美国第二大是东南亚再来就是欧盟 |
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如果了解這個狀況的話在東南亞第一大的當中的國家就是越南佔比相當高那他的關稅打擊其實也重越南也直接喊出來對美要0%現在他跟台灣是第一輪四個國家談判所以你們對於類似在東南亞的業界關稅你也不能介入他國內政他們國家的事情我們可以對他們提供什麼樣的協助 |
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一方面我們會了解就是廠商業別然後再來就是說他是除了越南廠以外是不是還有其他廠因為根據我們了解他們很多從中國移出以後不是只有投資在越南廠你這個還是在研究階段我意思是你手上有什麼政策工具你手上有什麼樣的政治工具可以去幫助我們海外僑客商 |
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第一個就是我們這個信保基金如果他們在短期內他們需要融資短期資金需求的融資那第二個就是說幫他們就是做彙整一些相關的資訊提供他們一些資訊的協助那現在有關我們對於橋外商的協助有涵蓋在現在行政院提出的特別條例跟特別預算跟委員報告事實上這個講的都是針對國內的廠商對內嘛 |
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是對內而已所以那800多億甚至現在擴大到4100億都沒有含過我們的4100億裡面有包含國家韌性國防所以說卓院長所提出的所謂的因應這個Receptacle Tariff目前這個沒有包含它針對的是國內的嘛條外商用不到嘛 |
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所以你現在手上我盤點了一下你手上唯一的政策工具大概就是信保基金對你也沒有第二個了嘛對那我就要請教你信保基金了把第二個好先信保基金你們現在信保基金來協助這一波受影響的台商你們的方案是什麼其實我們信保基金過去到現在一直都是對南向國家的這個保證額度到250萬但事實上呢 |
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所有的橋台商他們想要貸更多事實上是可以的只是說你超過這個額度以後呢這部分呢就沒有我們來幫你做這個保證可是如果這個橋台商他長期已經有很好的合作銀行事實上他可以貸到更高的額度是不會受影響的我們長期那個林董事長也很久了是就是說 |
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我們信保基金以往額度就是兩百到兩百五十萬一家公司嘛所以現在我們委員長這邊是公開宣示說你就要在信購好往來互動有點像銀行的概念因為這都是看銀行願不願意嘛你知道往來的信用不錯出入的頻率也不錯兩百五十萬額度的上限可能是針對新人對於既有的客戶也許可以更高那有額度的有到哪個程度啊 |
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因為是信保喔我現在不是講有擔保就不用你們了啦是 報告王委員現在就是說我們當然就是剛剛委員長講的我們的融資的對象就是八成是新南向國家所以就是這是對等關稅最嚴重的都協助新南向國家為主然後我們現在平均的融資的我們是雖然說是兩百萬但是我們現在平均差不多六七十萬美金所以其實大部分就大部分都還有相當的一個空間 |
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那剛才委員長講說未必上限到250可以更高跟委員說明就是說他如果他的這個額度內的這個讓我們信用保證的時候他的手續費會跟著增加然後他的利率的部分事實上也是他還可以跟他貸款的銀行去談判利率有沒有一些可以有 |
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差額的部分那事實上我們是只收到250萬的那個上限的手續費那再更多的部分呢那部分我們就不做信用保證所以我現在盤點的是政策工具是我不做250萬以上我不再做信用保證他跟銀行往來累積信用度不錯他可以跟銀行多借坦白講 |
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不是我們的事啦但是因為我們基金規模只有20億左右而已那句話不是說我們僑委會看你往來不錯我的信保的擔保額度可以超過250 沒辦法沒有沒有沒有我們可以最保證的到250萬美金信保基金是一個平台真正錢借出去還是銀行當然 |
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然後信保基金呢只是說我們有協助一些補貼在利息上的優惠但是呢有上限就是250萬至於這一家海外的企業他可以借到1000萬借到1億坦白講是他信用有夠資產有夠銀行加錢而已嘛那個不叫你的政策工具那個是銀行自己銀行不放貸他拿來賺錢所以他一定要放貸信用可靠的公司才可以回收嘛我這邊要提這一點就是說在我們的政策工具內 |
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經過這麼多年 兩百到兩百五十萬 主要第一天來的就是這個額度經濟社會變化多少 我們GDP從陳水扁馬英九時代是大概一兆七千億左右到現在我們的GDP都已經到三兆三了我們這個額度還在兩百跟兩百五十萬新南向的商業活動那麼多 我是建議因為這牽涉到錢放出去要收的回來 |
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委員這個我們基本上都是對中小企業那所以這個250萬美金呢讓他在這個營運擴廠融資上面或者他是新創事業事實上對於這種類型的目前這個額度其實都夠的那你如果是非常大型的公司基本上他們會去如果連帶他大概也不會找你他不會找我們對沒錯我是建議說我們希望我們的中小企業會成長 |
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然後我們的僑委會也不要因為他長大了他就自己去找銀行了我是說你們可以去思考我們現在政策工具兩百萬到兩百五十萬的額度可以適度設置有點像像退府會退府居然有我們再增加我們的清新規模我們就可以把上限提高設定第二級 |
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就是這個往來或者他的行業或者怎麼樣到什麼程度的話他直接到第二級不是大家都可以到第二級的時候我可以幫你擔保額度更高一點所以我是建議讓你的工具更豐富更靈活因為市場在多樣化我們 |
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事實上委員我們最少是200那250萬就是因應2017年的新南向之後又多了50萬所以不是不可能是有可能但是跟著這個增加的同時就是我們的基金規模必須要增資所以我們這個基金規模要增資的同時要編列預算 |
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當然 這個就是公務部門的政治工具嘛當你做了市場分析評估我們現在投資額度從2017年前的多少到現在投資額已經爬到第二大了而東南亞的4億人口的市場是我們所重視的希望強化政府跟橋外商 橋台商的連結那200萬到250萬額度顯然不足以支應某一些 |
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案子的時候根據這個你們提出來希望行政院這邊增加基金的規模然後我們也設定一定的條件在特定的行業可以進入到更高一級的這樣子橋委會也成長了我們在橋外的部分的服務也成長了否則一旦離開這個額度就脫離你們的手有點可惜啦因為很多小雞可能養大你們有功勞啊就我的意思說你們可以去評估一下你們這個政策工具夠不夠好不好好謝謝委員謝謝 |
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謝謝王國興 |