| IVOD_ID |
160957 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160957 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-06T09:32:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-06T10:03:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db1f27f75049202672f34bdcf739ea3f5a34676b630388100766b4824a6ff781b803803d6f493de85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:32 - 10:03:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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喂謝謝主席有請我們行政院主委院長請主委院長備詢哎 |
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院長雖然是交通組質詢但是因為國家重要的一個議題昨天在下午的時間我相信院長也有看到我們這個楊總裁中央銀行的楊總裁那個記者會真的是很多媒體跟學者的感覺你知道是什麼是不聽不害怕越聽越害怕 |
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楊總裁在對 |
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整個國家財政貨幣的匯率上面是相當專業的那麼他所提出的書面的說明也非常清楚那至於說現場的反應那個可能監測到提問的過程當中他是不是第一時間沒有完全掌握到但是我是認為他的內容來看是足夠用專業來做評估的 |
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我是覺得一般的民眾看到因為政府要跟民眾溝通跟業界溝通跟輿論溝通這種溝通的模式是不行的你書面報告是單項的你必須 雙項是很好雙項之後你又沒有辦法去很坦然的示意這是給一般民眾的一個感覺那當然這幾天 前幾天我們這個 |
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台北這個美金的匯率史詩級的飆升對台域來說史詩級的飆升當然對於個人的一個部分的理財甚至觀光有部分的民眾他是正面看待但就國家行政院 |
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立法院對國家以出口為導向出口是我們競爭力降低的一個部分我們必須要審慎去面對這樣的一個問題因為不然這個史詩級的飆升真的在控制不好第二個詩會變成詩痕遍野出口的一個產業IT的產業甚至我們受險大部分於美金避險的這個邏輯會變成另外一種史詩級 |
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我覺得行政院做好沒有 做好準備沒有啊 |
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就密切注意那更往前走我們是認為在整個關稅談判的過程當中雖然都沒有觸及到所謂匯率的問題但是我們一直在關心整個世界匯率的變化所以我也希望這個變化能夠迅速的穩定下來那穩定下來最重要的當然是央行長期就穩定貨幣的政策以及他手上所了解的狀況但很重要的是我希望產業界跟國人我們現在能夠大家 |
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還是要深具信心台灣的基本體質 財政狀況是好的院長 因為這個產業界我特別最近接到很多電話我也跟一些以出口為導向的一個產業聯絡其實現在是真的非常非常的憂心而且實際發生的已經哀鴻遍野最主要問題這次的升值之前 |
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就最近的兩年兩個月112年2月2號也測試到29有測試到這兩年前的市有嘛因為匯率升升降降其實這個就是市場的一個機制為主啊所以有時候降也都升本來大家不意外的可是 |
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你花了兩年的時間兩年的慢慢走讓產業有調整每次的訂單他看到匯率的走勢相對的穩定他可以做這個生意獲得相對的一個這個出口的一個利潤花了兩年時間到三十二、三十三左右請問說真的黑色五月就五月就這幾天 |
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就這幾天 尤其五月三號跟五月五號連兩天啊快一塊嘛 九毛這兩天就快兩美元的這個部分 最主要現在擔心的不是調這個什麼時候會降到多少最主要是這麼短的時間讓人家沒有辦法應變然後呢 昨天這個總裁終於 |
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講出一些讓我們他的良心話他覺得是事實嘛因為之前他一直記者會一直閉談啊原來他講的是什麼意思你聽得懂嗎呼籲啊 異常 |
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的狀況到此為止你跟誰講跟外資那些禿鷹嗎他就表示發現有異常但是這三天這過去兩三天他居然沒有去救市不是干預不是干預你要去救 |
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股市我們有在救會市遇到這麼大的一個問題的時候居然他昨天說他有發現有異常異常到此為止簡單來講他講異常就是如果不管外資喔外資喔搞不好有真外資假外資喔搞不好有國人繞一圈產業繞一圈進來的喔外資熱錢進來的居然有掠奪式有突映式的資金的時候在這幾天我們的總裁已經發現了如果已經發現了這樣的救市 |
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所以因為我們長期以來沒有採取干預政策 |
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台灣一直沒有被列為操縱匯率的國家我們是一般的觀察名單而已就因為這樣的延續這樣的慣例下來所以央行自然在比較合於規定的情況底下對匯市做它穩定的措施但是前兩天經過之後難免會發現有些外資進出的時間跟量 |
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次數都有一些值得觀察的時候所以今天早上我也講了台灣不是操縱匯率的國家但是我們也絕不允許呼應來破壞影響操縱台灣的匯市如果有任何不法的狀況一旦發生絕對要立刻有效的處理 |
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我是覺得這個東西要應該更積極的一個作為啦因為我們出口產業甚至有很多這個以美元做避險的一個產業真的受影響是非常大如果在全球的一個匯率做異常管理這個部分史詩級的就是單日 |
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跳升或者降已經到了過去大概三四十年最高的一個比率如果就全球來檢驗一定是這個有異常嘛那這個異常會不會大家變成是這個相關的一些名單這個部分我覺得央行要注意你們也要注意那第三個問題是產業界的你知道產業界 |
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在關稅問題美國關稅的問題正在處理副院長帶隊去我們期待蠻深的不然我跟你講全台灣這個出口產業真的是做不下去這個部分我覺得不管哪個黨派要有共識你這個東西一定要為台灣爭取最大的一個利益讓我們的產業能夠活下去這個是我個人絕對這樣去認為可是現在這個出口的一個產業 |
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坦白講第一把刀還沒卸下來就看談判的一個結果假設90天希望有好的結果讓我們出口產業能夠在世界的一個出口的競賽能夠生存那結果現在匯市匯率這幾天坦白講很多在談 |
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正好以美金 現在因為世界貿易都息 美金做談好的訂單有時候幾個月要交貨 我的天啊他現在真的是遇到非常麻煩的問題等於對他們來講第一把刀還沒有拔出來 第二把刀就插進去那我現在要請教你 我不知道你有沒有預測明天正好是5月7號 |
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當然美國總統川普講的話現在唯一不變的就是一直在變所以他講5月7號會宣布其實我也不太確定可是5月7號就美國時間搞不好就非常快了他說5月7號對於我們台灣出口IT產業的第三把刀如果宣布就是對於我們的晶片 |
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對於晶片 對於我們IT產業這非常重要要開始宣布一個特殊的關稅第一個 你有沒有掌握這樣的一個情報第二個咧 如果有不要講日期 你覺得大概幅度是多少 |
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好 鄭雷軍副院長跟臺灣辦公室楊振尼政委非常辛苦的完整跟美國正式面對面的瘦傷他們帶回來的消息是足以讓我們覺得說往下一步走是一個好的開始至於明天5月7號我們再度的向外界說明這是一個美國廣對世界所有其他國家希望大家提出一個對232條款的公眾說明書他們再來做討論 而不是一個 |
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具體的談判的時間點那我方也備妥了這個意見書會依照我們備妥的方案當中針對ICT產業半導體這個產業如何保障我國產業的安定穩定跟繼續的高科技領導我們會往這個方向去爭取國家最大的利益所以你說團隊有預測嗎因為不要每次我們都人家宣布了你再講說當時我們預測就你有沒有預測啦 講真的有沒有預測還是不方便講沒關係但有沒有預測 |
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我們有評估跟各種設算有評估就是等他宣布之後你才可以宣布我覺得他宣布沒有那麼快我們還要進行詳細的評估我覺得你們要更慎重去注意我們尤其在出口產業IT這部分如果第三把刀就在五月這個項群再插進來的時候你要遇到非常非常多的一個問題必須解決最後一個請交通部長 |
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我請教一下邊走邊問就請問一下這一次因為交通部未來有很多包括美國車 每年進口怎麼能夠只有七十幾台啊他們肯定變成非關稅的貿易障礙你們也都知道啦那這個的部分你們有沒有把這個題庫相關的做法去交給談判代 |
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你們自己在行政院開過會這些談判代表從副院長他們應該這個提供相關的處理機制有沒有提供報告委員我們跟行政院有開過數次的會議包含我在內包含次長在內還有相關的單位跟行政院開過數次的會議所以所有的幕僚作業該提供的資訊跟資料我們都有提供 |
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好的 有提供那這次交通部有派誰參加這個關稅談判的一個代表部長 次長 部長在嗎 肯定沒有 有沒有有沒有但是你們意見都已經在內部討論了嘛 對不對好啦 我今天要跟主委長建議拜託啦 央行不要再這樣講 |
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不要再講了我們央行沒有參與沒有去代表參與去美國代表貿易談判當然沒有啊部長也在這邊交通部沒有一個人去啊難道就代表我們交通部沒有任何的一個相關的意見帶去當然不是他們在國內開了N次會央行一樣對於可能美債外匯存體相關的一個匯率要準備的方案嘛你自己去不去談跟你的意見有沒有去 |
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我覺得不要再講我個人沒有站在美國的現場那不代表你交通部或者央行你們的意見不要再用這個作為解釋啦這是我跟這個部長跟院長的建議我現在他的意思真的意思是說這次談判沒有涉及匯率的問題他的原意應該是在這裡啦 |
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對我知道可是你不要跟我講說代表代表團這麼專業代表行政院代表我們國家過去然後如果美國談到任何的美債外匯存體或者匯率的問題我們是講抱歉我沒有這個意見不可能啊如果你這樣講我就覺得哇天啊那什麼叫完全的準備了那我接下來談一些港務的問題來首先 |
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我們也要謝謝院長你上任不到一個月就有宣誓了就跟毒品宣戰而且花總共有四年時間投入一百五十億來跟毒品宣戰我覺得這是很重要的而且有六大守護神我現在已經寫在上面就是檢警調檢警調等於相關的一個單位那這個的部分 |
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我覺得像檢警調很多第一個要靠現報那當然剩下的部分就是已經毒品相關已經分散出去了他去調查中間在某一個KTV或者某一個party或者有一個場域然後去抓到其實這都是最尾端的那會忙死人啊所以我們覺得在台灣毒品的一個源頭管理是非常非常重要的以台灣來說我們的源頭就在港口 |
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空港海港這港口這個管制是非常非常重要我們看到過去幾年在空港的嚴謹度對於人對於人所帶的物品對於相關的一些貨他們查緝的不敢說都查得到了但是我感覺比較嚴謹那現在這個你感覺海港狀況怎麼樣 |
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所以我們六大守護這個反炸的反毒的除了檢警掉線就是有海巡跟關路就是委員所說的空港跟海港那這個部長港務公司有沒有什麼想法 |
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怎麼樣去整合這六個單位就你所知道在海港的部分整合如何因為整合就是有一定的調度配合一條邊發生什麼事情你的港務公司或者那邊是誰來去主導平常的日常的 |
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去做這種check in的動作就你所知整合的如何港務公司的角色是什麼港務公司在長期以來都有配合我們的檢警調在做調查的部分當然會配合那另外針對港務跟海巡的配合其實也是長期在配合但是前一陣子確實有發生過有船員攜帶毒品的這個問題那我也請港務公司現在針對這樣子的問題怎麼樣跟我們的執法單位大家來配合能夠杜絕這樣子的可能性在發生好 |
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我想 虎牙市長列了兩次的一個案情就在基隆港 在去年的四月十七有可能是偵破日 搞不好在之前就已經發生這個事情這是基隆港員工 運3.2億價值的大麻當然有現報 被抓到了 起訴了 |
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但其中沒有擔心黑樹那第二個是今年的3月24號有抓到偵破那長榮海運現任跟離職的船員走私大麻那這兩個案子我們的院長您都清楚有掌握嗎 |
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當然從新聞上我看到我是覺得我們整個過程第一個是這個現報很重要再來科技的執法很重要另外就是我們現在很多的企圖犬也發揮了很大的效果但是我是覺得我們自己的同仁或是海運相關的業者讓我們覺得很痛心 |
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他應該是把關的第一線竟然成為破口之所在所以我是說這個部分如果是公務同仁我們絕一定要求司法原辦公務機關行政上也給予歧視處分那如果是海運的這些同仁海運的這些職員也應該海運公司內部自我管理要加強 |
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好 院長因為這是一個真的是跨部會 跨單位而且檢警調都頗有本位主義的那可是你在港區發生的到底誰來去劃這整件事情讓他去做圓滿我坦白講 行政院你要 |
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不是說你啦你一定要派人去整合這樣的一個問題因為我們發覺你覺得現在這個部長你說一下目前發生這個事情之後你各單位六大守護神跟港務公司整合得怎麼樣港務公司當然有找相關的單位來開會那另外港務公司自己自主啦針對員工的管制跟針對船員的管制的部分跟檢查的部分目前也有加強另外跟委員報告我們海巡經常跟國際合作 |
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一直跟美方合作 破壞相當多在海上當然是有現報 但是經過國際合作就破壞在海上的毒品那海巡同仁都要很艱難的去危險的登艦去做一些必要的收檢工作這個是海巡同仁經常在付出的 |
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其實我最擔心是例行性的每一天的你如何去掌控一些基本的情況從中發生一些問題但我們看到港務公司為主從108年到112年他經常也開相關單位的會議相關的專家學者也去做處理那108年說什麼呢要確實規定檢察人員以及個人的物品以及車輛跟車上的物品 |
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很合理嘛那改善情況就是以改善並依規定辦理這代表什麼呢108年的時候遇到有這種例外的情況對人員啊又發生了一些事情不見得是毒品他覺得應該要加強改善 |
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以改善114年類似的一個情況就是人員未經許可進入港區應該要怎麼樣什麼機制然後就表示又有一些漏洞再檢討然後以改善並依規定辦理表示之前有一些落高那最近的114年呢加強落實車輛的一個管理因為我覺得基本功很重要因為我們除了自己本身台灣我們自己在運作 |
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我們也是世界的一員我相信這個部長你知道什麼是ISPS已經二十幾年2002年全世界的海港為了當時是反恐啊發這個炸彈什麼東西再進來所以訂定了一個非常嚴肅的針對於 |
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港口甚至船舶還有相關的一個設施訂了一個非常明確的SOP然後是一套完整的港口保全這個一個制度第一個你知不知道這整套的系統跟制度然後再來港澳公司跟相關的志願單位有沒有做到報告員這個部分請你明示這個部分我沒有掌握 |
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你沒掌握 那我建議你回去因為已經很久了 |
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整個港口該怎麼管制我們自己按照經驗沒有用吧 全世界的一個經驗甚至有一些港口發生重大違安不是我們的然後人家經驗跟我們分享該怎麼管制第一關第二關這個部分我們希望在今天總執行之後至少我想包括院長部長能夠多關心我們現在以三港為主的這個的部分來做一個進一步的 |
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主理好嗎剛剛委員報告我們跟其他國家的共同打擊犯罪其中有一些已經在合作另外有一些我們自己在裝備比方說雷達偵測系統上不急的部分我都跟海巡署講說我們已經要採用最新的設備跟世界同步能夠做情報的分享我想這個部分我們會極力的趕上來好 那接下來我們再看因為我想說最基本功啦 |
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就每天這麼多的你們不斷的開會說對人員跟人員帶的物品對於車輛車輛帶的物品你們已經三番兩次說要加強加強就代表其實不用我說啦大家也知道這是Daily你們必須要去做的可是我們看到以長風海運大麻 |
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因為這個案子有三個人進出港口有臨時的有現任的你看到第一位蔡元姓蔡的蔡先生他的出入港口的記錄是有正式回文的這個警隊說港警有記錄到 |
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然後港務公司有登錄到然後長榮公司CCTV沒看到這個人第二個賴元是港警警察的警政單位有進入然後港務公司他沒有勾結到第三個長榮的CCTV監視系統沒看到最後一位是三個都沒有 |
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大家沒人看到就在港區裡面跑來跑去所以我剛剛講說其實這個不管是國際的一個怎麼樣一個code一個ISPS怎麼樣去做到可是我們先倒過來那個高深的學問你們在研究了好不好這個是大家都看得懂的我們有幾個人站在第一線就像我們院長所說的六大這個守護神那守護神有時候 |
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是不是在睡覺還是發呆失靈的一個情況到底要怎麼解決啊到底要怎麼解決啊這個我想部長你來回答一下 |
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為什麼有這種交錯你們面對這個問題已經幾個月了你剛剛說有討論討論發覺是什麼問題如何改善這樣子的表格看得很清楚有一些單位確實他在這個通行證跟門哨的管制沒有百分之百落實這個是我們必須要檢討也必須要趕快改善的那現在港務公司給我這邊的回報是他們已經有開過會討論怎麼樣去落實包含您所提到的港警的部分跟港務公司的部分那另外跟航運公司的協調他們也有做過 |
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詳細的內容我會後再跟委員報告 |
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做了希望有效果這是你們後面我們再三追問只有兩個單位說他有精進其他單位好像跟他覺得沒有什麼關係警隊組提了一個精進方案然後港務公司也提一個這個精進的方案就過去只要傳言去申請這個當次的那現在來要傳通這個還代表事前的登錄要做一個double check做這個double check的一個動作更嚴謹 |
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那這個部長覺得有沒有信心啊經過這個double check齁已經訂過來14 可能一兩個月了沒有啦 部長你講一下好了因為太小的議題我就不問院長了這個部分我們會有信心啦齁那院長的指示是要有決心一定要把它做好做到做好做到齁那已經精進方案已經上路了齁 大概一兩個月了我們來看看什麼精進好不好你們看一下 |
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這是台北港昨天下午4點46分我們應該期待說這個鋼哨是不是有人守在那裡首先鋼哨是空的沒有人站在外面然後有人逼一聲燈亮然後有轎車沒有人看完全沒有任何反應這樣可以通行現在的情況就是這樣 |
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到底誰管制 第一個人員管制 沒有剛剛院長說的我們有科技科技管制不是 他逼到了 亮或者不亮 合不合格照樣他自己去通行我跟你講 |
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所以這個部分真的是要院長來做一個協調處理因為這個可能又是警政單位了為什麼昨天我們的秘書看到這個狀況覺得很奇怪看不懂有人逼一聲有人沒有進進出出這個非常通暢結果我們進去看在裡面的警員 |
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為什麼有逼到跟沒有逼到有沒有量檢驗到他都可以出去啊然後再來對這些我這個叫車的部分啊我覺得像很多的貨櫃貨運這個我們期待這個公司上貨的時候自主管理我們希望相信他因為這個國家運貨的效率你知道嗎甚至讓這個貨櫃車大車堵在那個門口每一個要爬上去檢查我覺得這個不合理 |
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覺得但是轎車這個部分誰自主管理啊誰自主管理到底發生了什麼事結果昨天的員警特別說不要問我不要問我這個廠商就是這個設施這個設施有時候會出問題你要去問這個設施的廠商 |
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因為我們覺得很尷尬今天是已經經濟方案已經上路了在經濟方案沒有上路對於人車尤其這個人的沒有自主管理過的不是那種大貨車那到底發生什麼事了照這樣逼一下裡面多載一個人也沒事喔講真的 你看這種多載一個人兩個人完全一點事情都沒有我倒是覺得很奇怪這個東西我倒是不會說去怪這個交通部可是如果那個系統啊 |
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那個系統啊 有量沒量都可以然後遠景執法也很無奈那他變成因為被騙很多次了所以他乾脆狼來了 我也不出去了有量沒量都不行這個部分是很嚴重的這個院長你看到這個情況好像不太符合我們現在的剛剛的全面的要求你說說看要怎麼樣去精進改善 |
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謝謝委員 我覺得第一個非常遺憾但更感謝委員提供這樣的資訊5月5號16點46分這個鋼哨的人員到底是誰我們在行政上我又要求台北港跟交通部我們要做強力的要求到底他的人員有沒有盡到責任另外這些進出車輛有沒有經過安全檢查的程序過程如何一定要詳實報告如果有行政上的疏忽我們一定要做行政上的追究謝謝委員 |
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希望能夠逐步精進因為事實上很多人常常會經過要進去港口是什麼樣的一個情況我一直在說對於營業大量的有自主管理的車輛載貨不要再把人家打開了怎麼樣的方式但是對於這樣的一個不明的轎車或者沒有 |
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沒有逼生的這個部分我覺得要有一些作為那接下來我們再看一樣是港務公司的港務公司在幾年前為了科技創新 鼓勵科技創新用科技的方法來去提供 |
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港務公司港口需求來提供科技的解決方案那也希望在這個實驗之後呢能夠落地商轉就是簡單講實驗完之後現在就在港口港務公司那邊港域去做實施甚至能夠從實驗港拓展到所有的商港這是我們港務公司目前在網站上開宗明義所以科技去做管理這個的部分那請問一下部長你知道嗎 |
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這個部分我大概知道我們以政府補助 政府沒有補助算了以政府補助有三項創新的工作以港口做實驗場域因為時間有限那我們希望你們自己去查清楚了解一下 |
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這三個政府非常補助無人載具智慧巡檢這個補助了五千多萬自駕巴士區塊鏈物流服務這在台北港也是交通部的補助三千六百萬第三個應該是高雄港的吧無人機後勤的一個補給這數位部來補助的一千三那就請問一下算了如果你剛剛都沒聽過的話這幾個到底 |
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最後的結果其實坦白講到112年111年112年結案了啦本身當時的計畫已經結案了啦那到底哪一個落地港公司要講一下嗎到底哪一個是現在進行式哇 實驗成功了我推展科技了因為當時是港公司的需求不是人家硬塞進來的一個案子我跟你講花錢築夢夢醒一場空這三個補助的計畫 |
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目前為止沒有一個可以正常落地變成科技資源港口公司的所以這到底是不是港務公司需求因為當時你不是部長我只是說你現在要去了解那到底哪些可以落地的甚至還要發展到全台灣港口去做甚至還誇言可以出國輸出去做比賽的你看以無人載具的一個巡檢 |
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這個最後的結案啊人家專家學者的第二十項你看第一個無人載具具有天候限制人家委員問他說那下雨天會不會影響到這無人機的這個視覺結果回答是開玩笑說不是不會你知道為什麼不會因為我們雨天不出情 |
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1833.923 |
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雨天不出啟 那金融港大概平均200到230天的雨天所以我們的科技創新在實驗階段大概有六成的時間沒有出啟所以會不會因為雨天影響 所以不會那諸如此類奇奇怪怪的一個情況沒有一個落地的 包括巴士區塊鏈這個部分 |
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好謝謝盧委員 |