| IVOD_ID |
160928 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160928 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-02T10:58:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-02T11:13:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a4532f731e18a3f657cdd0ea48b7cc1bd65e820d1de88fa50bf0456a4f25e5f6f0fba3fac4fb75495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:58:17 - 11:13:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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行政院左院長交通部陳部長交通部備詢林委員好院長好院長本集今天要跟您建議其實我們投資或者改善交通CP值最高民眾最有感 |
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那不一定需要很大的交通建設那需要龐大的經費和時間但有些民眾已經反應很久的不合理的狀況我們要把它改掉交通部當然 行政部沒有他的立場或者是官僚有時候 他在執行上會產生一些困難我舉個例子 這個都是很 |
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這是一台所謂的龜速車在高速公路上它佔用了內車道內車道原本應該是超車道嘛我問議長你自己會開車嗎會不過你現在當院長當然也沒時間開車了常常趕車啦 趕時間趕時間也會嗎 自己開車沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有 |
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他說他在內車道他行駛過慢所以把他開了一張單子不一定開慢就是好我們常常說塞到旁邊比較安全那你要看什麼狀況這個在佔用內車道而且行駛過慢被開單這個警察一貼出來一下子4萬多個佔 |
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就一張紅單就好了四萬幾個站也就是說這種沒有在超車的時候你去佔用內車道內車道就是所謂超車道或者是你在超車道行駛過慢這種狀況民眾是怨聲載道你知道這種狀況嗎保長你知道嗎知道那這種狀況有沒有很嚴重我就給你看了在快速公路這幾年的取締建樹 |
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增加了百分之一百二十二就是行駛過慢佔用內側超車道成長了一倍多那在高速公路也成長了八八多那實際上更嚴重為什麼因為國道警察局跟我說他取締有困難那再回來因為你如果內側車道被佔用第一個有需要超車的車輛他就沒辦法超車了 |
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所以有些車輛被迫在那邊鑽來鑽去啦柏中你有去這裡嗎我市長開車你應該自己會開車啦這種內車道被佔用的狀況你把它改善啦民眾就會很有感你知道這種狀況嗎那一個國道檢察公喔他很難取締第二個就是只有檢察可以取締這個民眾沒有辦法檢舉第三個啊 |
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就是我們有一個法條其實是不合理他說你小型車可以用最高的速限行駛在內車道這不對啦 其實內車道是要給超車用的你是國外開車國外的車子為什麼比較順暢第一個他沒有超車他不會開到內車的超車道來第二個他超完車道就回去我們台灣不會這樣啦還是說你如果在外國開車 |
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你若沒有車來,他一發現後面那台車比你速度快,他就趕快,內車道他就會讓,這樣不是啦,我們家如果內車道一占用,他也不會讓給後面的,要去要超車的人,所以喔,就說到小胖感喔,你這個內車道管理不好,是一個很重要的原因啦,就是說超車道經常被占用, |
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或者是行駛過慢或是說很容易這是一個很主要的原因部長您的看法 |
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使用權跟速度限制要分開 |
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你現在這個 我把你規則調給你了 加農規則條例第八條第三款他沒有把這兩個分開啦我所謂的使用權就是你要給要超車的人超車第二個 速度限制不要認為說 我就塞速限100 我就開100我就可以在這台車上這樣一直開 |
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沒有這種概念啦在國外的交通規則他這兩個是分開的啦因為你有時候超車那一瞬間你的速度必須要稍微快一點所以重點就是說內車道 超車道只有超車才能使用啊 超完車你就要回來 |
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這個跟國人駕駛的習慣可能有很大的落差這個部分我們來研議看看因為你沒有在取締因為國道檢查跟我講他很難取締唯一有在嚴格取締的只有雪山隧道對 雪山隧道他用科技執法那國道為什麼沒有用科技執法他現在高工太長了但是高工具怎麼處理啊彩排啊 |
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他們每一兩公里就舉一個白色的內車道為超車道 專用道德勸說 你踩那個白色的 踩到多遠也沒用你還問他們 他們立了多少牌子南下北上 我踩幾千塊 這沒用啦那你再注意看 大客車的管理就非常好大車 我跟你們說 印度車參加大車要塞最外車道嘛 大車啦 |
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那大車要怎麼騎車?大車要騎車開來中間這個車道那超販車大車一定遭到因為大車不可以佔用中間這個車道只有超車才可以用大車都很乖為什麼?因為取締有一陣子嚴格取締而且大車大車的駕駛都有這樣的一個習慣而且大車通常都是營業車啦他們知道說要開端會很吃力 |
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所以你注意看 我們大車的超車道 管理得很好開車習慣也不錯 它都要篩選好如果要車輛載進去 車輛要緊照只有小車 造成交通上的一個 用路人員痛苦經常性 會後悔車輛 這是一個問題 |
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我希望你高速公路的管理你只要把小車的內車道管理好可以跟大車管理的一樣好你就很有掌聲了啦那每天一天有多少車你總有多少公路 總有快速快速道路的因為佔用超車道你看那這幾年的被被舉發案件成長了一倍多百分之一百二十二這個狀況非常嚴重 |
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還有一件事,我問議長參考,議長這件事我剛才跟你質詢過,我們現在的修法,那時候因為台灣被供應工作是行人地獄,2023年, |
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所以高隆坡嚇到 開始大家去修完了 立委也開始後備修完了把那個嚴重超速 原本是超過60公里變嚴重超速 改成40超過40就算嚴重超速 要衝啊 把你拔車牌這個很可怕喔那我先跟你說 然後呢 這個在行政院的公共政策平台 |
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我覺得今年有六千多個民眾去連署,所以你應該要恢復到整個規定,超收六十,才算嚴重超收。當時交通部長有回答,你知道嗎?保長,你如果在後面寫, |
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特朗普當然拒絕啦他會拒絕理由在後面寫 他寫說還沒修完之前 一個月平均一萬兩千六百四十斤我就假設你比喻啦 他這個亂寫啦各位看喔 在沒有實施疫情喔111年 110年 那一年啦就是說你抄所有 抄過六十齁 都抄到萬幾斤啦一個月都錢幾斤啦但是你開始改 你改做俗世照就變嚴重超出齁 |
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你看看2023年,2023年只有半年喔它下半年才改喔就六萬兩千多件了2024年切盤四成幾件那這產生兩個問題,我要請教是台灣人開車的人愛違規,愛超速還是你這個速限改這樣子有不合理的地方?你就是基中節嘛現在人家都沒有幾件嗎?那為什麼60的時候一個月一千多件呢?啊你現在 |
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改造超過4站 暴增了 結果變成六千間了暴增了5倍多 為什麼 因為有幾個問題啦你那個很多樹線是不合理的 還有這個規定也不合理我去年質詢我就跟你講 你政府要改4站也可以啦 |
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但是你會先檢討你的速限合不合理那誰在訂速限中央政府跟地方政府都有啦看你的道路管轄權是什麼公務員也不知道是保守還是怎樣我訂越多像那訂越多越好所以我們現在還要訂四樓五樓實際上普通有開車嘛 印度沒有嘛你如果開車 速限四五樓你怎麼開 |
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那有的地方 你說它本來是兩車道 速限50它後來拓寬了 變三車道 四車道 速限滿50一大堆啦那怎麼辦我再給你們看一下啦那速限定低會不會比較安全不一定啦我要用台北市做的啦全台各縣市我都給它調組了啦台北市喔 |
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很高超速的路段你看在你的左邊水源快速道路要開始了十大容易超速嚴重超速的因為超過了超速的在左邊那十大造勢路段沒有重疊最容易超速的地方跟最容易造勢的地方不一樣那很可能就是你的樹線有問題 |
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你看看 台北市 經十大會發生車禍的路口 速限都五十怎麼都五十而已 五十很假啦還是發生車禍 而且很危險啦所以有時候 你所謂的行車安全 不是只有速限啦有可能是你的路口 危險路口的設計啦 標線啦 |
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你要改良嘛但你當時我還質詢部長你就說中央跟地方要去檢討速限有做嗎你有做嗎 |
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報告委員基本上這個速限是道路設計它有一個規範大部分是照那個規範在走但是每一個地方確實都是可以檢討的委員在講的是說整體應該要下去檢討那我們也可以去跟地方政府一起來盤點一起來檢討那現在民眾其實可以很方便的透過一些交通的信箱或者是我們交通部的信箱只要來反應我們就會去檢討跟地方政府一起來討論 |
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第一個 我再回到剛剛行政院公共政策平台 民眾去留言民眾留言喔 交通部第一個理由是說我把嚴重超速由40改60以後超速的件數有降低 這個胡說八道你看看 越來越多 越來越多要不然改進前還要穿幾件改後還要變多幾件而且2024年比2023年 增加更多啦第二 交通部的理由 |
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如果你們覺得事件不合理那交通部有答應說要檢討那不是我講的確實你們要檢討但是你們回復這個民眾 |
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我經常跟交通單位說一個路段如果經常有超速我們要檢討的不是駕駛人而已是不是我們標示不夠清楚或者這個地方我們應該適度的開放 |
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讓他能夠交通順暢同樣一個地方如果經常有人違規左轉也不能光只是檢討駕駛人是不是我們這個地方需要違規左轉人太多而且我們沒有可供迴轉的路線的設計讓他們不得不冒這個險所以我就覺得請交通部還是要檢討一下 |
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目前提高合理的來檢討或是提高一些速限如果對於整個交通順暢有幫助沒有影響到剛剛造勢跟超速不一定成正比的這種關係來看我覺得有檢討的空間 |
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謝謝院長,所以院長現在開始有概念了,其實交通管理它有三個步驟,所謂三個E,ABCD的E,第一個就是工程,就是你的標線路口設計,還有樹線,是境外做的,境外先自己做就好,第二個教育,education,就是說你駕駛人要自己守規則,第三個才是執法,enforcement, |
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如果這樣我才來罰你啊 要這樣才對啦所以你後來會造成啊 很多人車牌用爆了我來比較一下那個車牌數啊就是說 自從你開始實施40變為60以後你看嚴重超數啊你看這個就是他車牌數啦一年爆 去7萬幾的車牌他這個一超過 車牌就要被拿掉 |
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好 謝謝林俊憲委質詢 謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝現在一場二樓旁聽的來自台北市慈善協會 |