| IVOD_ID |
160908 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160908 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T12:19:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T12:32:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc02b1165d1a577f5212bf9a8039e28b7cac64ac1618a5937c6fd113443f1ac9aa35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:19:51 - 12:32:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員林楚茵等17人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平台議價法草案」案。二、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平臺強制議價法草案」案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平臺強制議價法草案」案。四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新聞媒體與數位科技平台公平發展法草案」案。五、審查委員林宜瑾等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案。六、審查委員范雲等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案。
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來 謝謝主席 麻煩有請NCC代理主委好 NCC陳代主委委員好主委好 NCC事實上癱瘓非常久了啦理由非常的多 我為什麼說NCC癱瘓很久了我等一下進一步 資訊的內容會進一步的說明先從第一步開始NCC組織法修正通過生效了以後搞了五個月 |
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搞了五個月新的NCC主委提名名單沒有辦法送到立法院來左榮泰之前總諮詢的時候承諾四月底以前要送來今天已經五月一號了什麼時候會送來還是你也不知道我是看媒體報導這禮拜應該有機會這禮拜應該有機會今天禮拜四所以剩下明天禮拜五一個主委提名搞五個月送不出來 |
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誰在台灣NCC是行政部門在台灣NCC還是立法部門在台灣NCC你覺得呢一個主委的提名單搞五個月送不出來誰在台灣NCC |
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行政院嘛不關你的事啦所以是行政院院長在台灣NCC這個話你講不太出來沒關係接下來就關你的事啦今天事啦從一開始 |
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在生設執照取得執照的過程當中政治的黑手就直接伸到NCC裡面去整個醜聞臭不可聞結果我們的NCC在前後任主委交鄉接棒之下幫金電視的醜聞cover |
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超過了三年超過了三年有很多立法委員不敢得罪媒體所以可能不敢講怕被媒體追殺嘛一天到晚在PO一些抹黑抹黃的新聞但我從來不像這種惡勢力低頭的現在今天是從拿到執照到現在過多久了 |
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應該 委員這邊的資料應該看起來超過三年了嘛你自己業務要鎖啦超過了三年 過了三年要不要舉行評鑑要現在有在做嗎程序進行中會不會認真的評鑑 還是打算繼續放水不會 都是依法辦理評鑑的過程當中 財務的狀況要不要評鑑 |
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依據這個法是評鑑的項目之一好沒關係喔今天把我在這邊的質詢當作我公開質疑的資訊交給所有的評鑑委員做參考我為什麼這樣講這個電視台一開始在聲色的時候兩位我非常敬重 |
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新聞媒體界的前輩一個王維堅老師一個林立雲老師啊他們提出了質地有深的不同意見書啊有風骨我給他們很高啊的肯定當初在提不同意見書的時候啊就直指啊他們的財務狀況真的撐得下去嗎畫大餅畫成這個樣子真的做得出來嗎 |
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這個當初啊兩位前委員啊所提出的不同意見書都是公開啊的資訊當初他們提出這樣子的質疑的時候提出這樣子的質疑的時候因為喔這個是當初在申涉的時候重要的條件之一嘛他不是要成立民間版的公共電視嗎要成立民間版的公共電視就財務狀況出了這麼大的問題現在進電視啊的實收資本額有多少 |
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核准是20億他有申請30億核准是20億嘛你知不知道20億什麼時候燒完了知道嗎沒有很清楚沒有很清楚現在不是正在辦評鑑嗎財務狀況不是評鑑重點項目之一嗎我可不可以請我們處長來補充可以 |
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他資料送進來我們要還沒有進出審會議所以現在還在程序的初階段實質的內容都還搞不清楚就對了來我給NCC主委看當初NCC評估通過了財務規劃你現在在螢幕的左手邊看到的這個深色營運計畫及補正17頁當中的第4頁這個是NCC你們當初內部審查的時候所做的PPT |
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我不曉得你看過沒有但我可以跟你保證這不是我偽造變造的這個是你們當初在審查的時候NCC內部啦你們早上夜館單位要跟主委報告的時候啊所做PPT的內容好第一個當初有做很多評估嘛有做很多預測嘛但我當初看到這個東西的時候我就發現根本在鬼扯 |
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什麼叫做根本在鬼扯啊來現在每年平均稅前淨損多少錢知道嗎不是很清楚股東權益佔股本比多少知道嗎委員這邊所列五項目前手上有沒有確確的掌握好沒有關係你現在手上沒有資料沒有關係但我要提醒NCC喔這次不要再放水了 |
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這次不要再放水了我上面所講的這個東西啊你們好好回去堆堆看當初你們在發這個執照的時候內部評估怎麼做的做得笑死人啊我今天趕在國會殿堂啊說你們當初做的內部評估笑死人啊右邊我所列出來的這五個問題負債比多少流動比多少 |
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收入有很乎評估嗎你們在今年在做評鑑的時候這些事情都應該做嘛 對不對會在考量範圍內好好做齁好好做為什麼因為10億的實收資本額啊其實2022年年底啊就燒完了這個數字不是我編出來的是他們內部的他們內部啊自己在2022年年底的時候估出來的 |
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2022年的時候,20億就燒完了現在問題來了,2023年、2024年到現在已經是2025年的5月1號了嘛過去兩年四個月,錢從哪裡來?從天上掉下來嗎?說他們要來幫你升級、幫你增資你知不知道他一個月虧多少錢? |
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照委員的資料,除到他3年的話大概會21除以3年的話,一年差不多6億多對嘛,所以你還是有概念嘛一年要虧6億多啦一個月大概5000萬啦現在問題來了21燒完了以後,現在還有10幾億錢到底哪裡來?評鑑的時候好好做評鑑的時候好好做為什麼? |
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之前在整個發照的過程當中NCC內神通外鬼檢舉人的資料 指證歷例啊 |
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檢舉人的資料只剩歷歷啊結果搞了半天NCC到目前為止還有在查嗎還是查無不法謝謝指教症風體系已經查完然後相關的這個相關人大概也有提出檢調那邊那邊在檢調已經細數案中是 你是不是知道檢調從案件細數到現在稅了幾年你大概不知道啦這個責任也不是你要扛啊 |
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睡了兩年多啊睡了兩年多啊台灣的司法現在是變成怎麼樣有執政黨撐腰啊當執政黨當英犬當打手啊有關係就沒關係啊案子直接放在那邊給他睡啊 |
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這個事情我公開講過非常多次了啦但涉及到的是什麼之前的洩密我看新的NCC應該也沒有辦法再查下去啦提求踢給減掉就好啦但問題是什麼當初給的行政處分是有負負擔的喔是有負負擔的喔如果發現了具有廢紙條件的負擔的話應該要怎麼處理 |
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最嚴重的時候可以廢止原來的許可最嚴重要廢止原來的許可嘛請你們好好的查下去為什麼他在申請增加資本額的時候他要講明白嘛說錢到底哪裡來的嘛是不是本來八大股東給的嘛還是有新的股東嘛之前我已經公開檢舉過很多次了連出賣股份的股東自己都承認了 |
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陳泰銘自己都承認啦我股份早就賣掉啦但是NCC查無不法根本報告在他們上架的時候我們就請他們提出切結那相關的 切結有用嗎切結有用嗎他要負法律責任好來你們後來有沒有請陳泰銘來說明 |
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他當天是沒有來 但是他有委託書對 那他的委託書上面寫什麼就不關你NCC的事 你沒有權利查碼這個就是我在講的啊你們NCC面對這些大財團大老闆 軟趴趴你叫我來 我不來啊 叫一個律師發一個函給你啊說這是我的隱私 我的財務資料 我為什麼要跟你講當初在騙執照的時候 |
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什麼都敢講 直到騙到了以後 要開始查是不是私下賣股不敢去你們那邊說謊連去都不去這位大老闆很囂張啊非常囂張啊我上面打的每一個字啊 都陳泰銘自己講的 |
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你主管機關去查資金流向嘛 錢從哪裡來 錢誰給的 錢給什麼人不就查出來了錢送到葉國一那邊 錢送到陳志遠那邊 錢送到陳靜才那邊這樣不就查出來了這一塊我們當初也要喊起相關機關協力然後呢沒有一個確確 就是沒有確確的違反對嘛所以現在到底在玩什麼 |
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到底在玩什麼 當事人對外自己都承認了到NCC那邊查無不法整個爛攤子一直延續到今天整個爛攤子一直延續到今天啊我希望這一次三年的評鑑到了三年評鑑到了整個營運計畫書包括當初所做的承諾是不是有切實的履行我希望這次NCC評鑑好好做 |
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他目前是有兩個負擔沒有到位一個是首語新聞一個國際新聞我們已經給他罰代金他現在提起訴訟在台北高興了沒有沒有關係啦反正最後這次評鑑的結果社會大眾拭目以待希望NCC這一次你是現在雖然是代理的主委基本上面依法行政還是很重要的事 |
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不要讓今天是覺得說他有民進黨撐腰就可以為所欲為啊可以嗎我們的一切依法行政OK好謝謝委員 |