| IVOD_ID |
160894 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160894 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T10:23:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T10:32:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc0fc14a2bfe17980622bf9a8039e28b7ca5144d4d67ecd09c18ef0204c35ffc9fc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:42 - 10:32:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員林楚茵等17人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平台議價法草案」案。二、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平臺強制議價法草案」案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平臺強制議價法草案」案。四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新聞媒體與數位科技平台公平發展法草案」案。五、審查委員林宜瑾等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案。六、審查委員范雲等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案。
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我們謝謝主席 本席邀請我們抒發部黃部長黃部長部長好 部長今天大家都在關心今天的主題就是媒體的溢價法我看我們抒發部自己本身的報告裡面 |
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當然你有特別提到國際上尤其是美國啦美國對於澳洲跟加拿大的媒體溢價法他認為這是一個貿易障礙他認為這樣的一種瞌睡啊說如果你瞌睡的話那美國甚至要不排除用關稅報復 |
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如果以目前來的狀態剛好台灣在跟美國做關稅談判的時候如果台灣通過這樣的媒體議交法對於我們跟美國的關稅談判會造成什麼樣的影響 |
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一樣就是因為現在在談判中這個是一個無可預測的因素所以我覺得那你認為台灣在現在這個時候適合來推媒體一家房我個人認為是這個時候不是一個good timing不是一個好的時間點不是一個好的時機 |
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那其實他在澳洲的經驗啊澳洲是2021年全世界第一個通過媒體溢價法那Google和臉書啊在2021年就停止支付了他們就不顧澳洲當地的法律然後他們就回去透過美國政府啊就跟澳洲政府來做談判施壓所以目前這個問題啊已經變成一個不是台灣現在面對的問題是全世界都面對的問題 |
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那如果以目前我們跟美國在做關稅談判的時候部長認為這個時候通過這樣的一個法律啊 |
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恐怕會影響到我們跟美國的談判會造成一個負面影響嘛 是不是這樣那其實這幾個平台巨頭在國際上他也有辦法啦他會反擊這樣的一個媒體定價法比如說他在澳洲加拿大他有個模式啦他就封鎖當地的新聞內容 對不對那你當地的媒體也拿不到錢 |
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第二個他透過美國政府把他做為數位的貿易壁壘來做談判等等那如果這種狀態下其實如果我們要推這個在川普跟這些平台巨頭的關係好不好 |
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應該是都有一些很好的合作關係有合作關係嗎?川普以前每天痛罵臉書啊川普當選以後但現在是臉書在修補跟他的關係啦你了解嗎?所以川普他自己去創造一個自媒體的平台嘛他認為臉書專門在修理他啊川普認為這些平台巨頭啊都是民主黨的,都是左派的其實這個在談判上啊 |
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不是不能講道理啦我也不知道有沒有在這個談判桌上但是美國國內同樣也會有這個問題啦美國國內的媒體他們的新聞製造製造者那他們上的臉書他們有沒有拿到錢也沒有嘛因為美國也沒有強制移交法所以這個絕對是平台跟全世界的新聞媒體業界大家的一個共同的議題 |
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這個其實也可以結合啦做國際上一個結合啦因為這幾個平台獨大嘛那有在做這個媒體也是做經過媒體的其實美國國內也有啊對不對媒體的生存困境美國也一樣啊全世界都一樣啊你看那個數位廣告現在已經超過一般傳統的廣告了嘛數位廣告過去幾年啊我這裡的資料啊 |
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成長了三倍多成長了百分之三百四十六你看那個非數位廣告衰退一半我講的是十年來十年來數位廣告成長百分之三百四十六非數位廣告反而衰退快一半所以這是一個大家共同問題但我認為今天要討論的其實不只是政媒體定價法因為你現在有卡到跟美國關稅談判的問題 |
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不過確實我們塑化部必須要有一定的角色來管理這些平台因為這些平台成為詐騙 假訊息的溫床詐騙廣告都在這些平台上面嘛對不對所以你看澳洲政府他對臉書就是說你臉書 |
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Meta現在拒絕澳洲的定價法以後澳洲提出的措施就是他要準備成立一個數位事務部腳步比台灣慢台灣現在就有數位發展部了 |
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那我們應該要有一定的 這種一定角色可以管理這些平台我現在講的不是只有新聞定價而已啦例如你在那邊一些假錯訊息啦 有一些色情啦 詐騙啦 等等這些平台啊 只認錢啊 只收廣告費啊 他有負起他的社會責任嗎 |
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但你現在有法可以管他嗎你現在只能道德勸說這些平台如果是詐騙的話就是我們有打詐這個專法嘛就是用這個來管制他他們也都配合啦那現在詐騙廣告還是那麼多對所以我們如果不管是民眾檢舉或是我們發現我們會要求他下架目前的法律規定是他在24小時之內要下架所以你像今年那個新聞有沒有今年4月啊 |
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388.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
412.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
Meta的副總裁啊臉書的副總監啊總監啊他在美國舉手發誓作證啊他說Meta在中國他配合中國政府介入啊審查台港的發文審查幫中國政府審查甚至還針對這中國本身香港台灣用戶發的文字進行修改這臉書的前總監他的國會作證的 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
416.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
419.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
國會聽證是有法律責任的他不能說謊的那證實臉書是這樣的來配合一個獨裁政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
423.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
448.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那臉書在台灣會不會幹同樣的事情我們不知道啊但是你有角色你有法律的那種定位給你的角色你可以去介入嗎你可以去管理嗎我們對這問題也蠻關注所以我們除了關注美國現在共聽會的結果我們在台灣也會跟臉書在這方面再做進一步的了解跟溝通所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
448.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
473.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
你確實應該要提出塑化部的院版的法律啦那不是只專注在今天講的這個新聞定價法因為這個是一個世界性的問題啦但是你塑化部澳洲現在才緊急要成立塑化部台灣已經有了但我們過去塑化部的功能一直受到大家很大的批評嘛對不對那主要就是對於這些網路上的管理尤其這些平台巨頭的管理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
474.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
498.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那你現在沒有法律坦白講 你只能借助其他單位的法律就像剛剛你講的 防詐的法律或者是你跟他們 老是邀來喝咖啡愛吵鬧不吵別 對不對你只能給他用勸說的方式所以你還是要訂出我們自己國家對於網路上 政府該有的一個你們要負起你們的責任還有你們的權責 好不好好 謝謝部長好 謝謝 |