| IVOD_ID |
160890 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160890 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T09:24:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T09:40:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc03b18d952732fea4d2bf9a8039e28b7ca5144d4d67ecd09c1be90c14cbbb16b115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:24:42 - 09:40:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員林楚茵等17人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平台議價法草案」案。二、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平臺強制議價法草案」案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具「新聞媒體與數位平臺強制議價法草案」案。四、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新聞媒體與數位科技平台公平發展法草案」案。五、審查委員林宜瑾等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案。六、審查委員范雲等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案。
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我說實在話為什麼民進黨政府會讓大家覺得是說會反廢死就是因為死刑有在那邊但是我們看到好像政府的方向跟策略都一直往反廢死的方向走如果說我們講說酒駕零容忍可是當酒駕事件一二再三發生的時候我們不提高罰則不針對立法有任何的主張或是改變或是加緊加嚴加 |
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更嚴厲的執行那酒駕零容忍是含假的那剛過去我們看到我們確實有往這個方向走是酒駕零容忍但一樣速發部也好NCC也好今天一直講說新聞有假可是你們的報告充耳未聞沒有讓我們看到有任何的版本今天有六個委員的版本六個不同委員版本跨黨派的版本但我請教一下行政部門版本在哪裡 |
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那個 報告委員喔這個議題我想兩年前就 沒錯就有在討論不只兩年前喔 更久所以部長已經先證實了這個議題已經講了至少超過兩年以上但是到目前為止版本在哪裡因為這兩年有幾些事情發生造成這個議題變得更複雜一個當然就是技術的演進因為AI的出現讓整個這個所謂著作的問題來 部長 昨天 |
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媒體報導已經有報導了我想請教到底為什麼一開始我們要推動所謂的新聞議價法或是不管是任何人講的不同名詞新聞任性平台還是新聞議價還是我們相關的為什麼要推動 |
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最核心的理由是什麼我們當然新聞有價這個是最核心的理由我們推動這個我們當然就是說認為新聞有價是用什麼方法去推動我們一直在做研究跟觀察不是部長如果說你沒有辦法了解最核心你是主管機關如果說我們連為什麼要推動這最核心的理由講不出來 |
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那個報告委員您指的是說為什麼要推動對為什麼要推動各國不管是現在澳洲加拿大歐盟等大家為什麼要推動最核心的理由基本上就是說因為現在這剛剛講就是講說現在很多新聞確實是照就是這個平台上的新聞要怎麼樣跟新聞媒體來共融這個事情當然是大家要要去協商但是我還是跟委員講就是說 |
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最主要概念不就是因為新聞我們支持新聞有價我們希望新聞能夠獨立自主營運作業不受任何的干擾這其一所以他新聞有價嘛其二就是新聞媒體您剛講到整個市場環境有變遷所以現在新聞媒體的通路載具是完全不對等的 |
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他面對到的是一個龐大的科技巨擘怪獸也因此個別的新聞媒體他可能很難去跟社群平台來談判也因此才會各國有公部門來協助做一個平台嘛報告委員各國的意思在這邊如果是強制溢價法就是澳洲但是澳洲這幾年實施下來就是我們針對的所謂的這個平台主要是針對Google跟Meta |
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那事實上META這個整個的溢價法在META完全不配合所以事實上我們觀察國際的這些發展強迫溢價法其實在澳洲只有澳洲實施而且目前是沒有成功的所以財務部長本席剛剛有聆聽你的報告也聆聽NCC主委的報告所以我都很理解但我們現在想要了解的是更進一步的部分 |
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所以我也看到沒有錯我們一直是開放的態度六個委員不同的版本就是希望是我們往這個方向來走但重點是第一到目前為止兩年多來行政部門沒有版本這是具體的事實第二好速發部的報告到目前為止你也沒有跟我們講說到底溝通了多少次結果NCC的報告告訴我們你們開了三輪八場會議好來 |
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我請教一下這三輪巴掌會議大型數位平台的對話會議誰主持這個是由書發部還有NCC的副主委還有這個書發部誰主持書發部也是次長三位次長聯席來主持三位次長聯席來主持那部長有沒有掌握這三次的會議 |
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這個有跟我報告不過這個上次會議都在有跟您報告就好我請教我們現在也看到本席我還是開宗明義強調我們往新聞有價方向但是怎麼樣來做我們現在等於是討論到怎麼樣來做嘛對不對好那我們現在不管是有所謂 |
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澳洲模式就是所謂的強制溢價模式也有討論到像歐盟模式駐作臨接權模式或是基金模式那我們這三場八場會議裡面有沒有更聚焦的方向或共識 |
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來 這個我們請市長謝謝委員的指導事實上我們都知道 的確我們今天為什麼有這個會議是因為現在台灣的媒體非常的辛苦因為傳統上來講 媒體的收入有兩種一個是訂閱的收入 另外一個是廣告的收入那因為現在大部分的民眾都不訂閱媒體了 |
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然後所以他們就沒有媒體的訂閱的收入然後再來廣告的收入都被Meta跟Google收走了所以我們就事實上從澳洲開始就提出了這個媒體強制溢價法然後後來加拿大也跟進了但是很不幸的是說這些方法在澳洲跟加拿大都受到很大的反挫各位聽本席的問題回答問題好不好你不要講大家都知道的事情本席剛剛問什麼問題 |
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就是有沒有找那個委員會找那個各家媒體來溝通事實上我們之前不是我不是問這個問題你問很多問題請問是問哪一個問題聽清楚本席的問題再回答那不然你怎麼會部長怎麼會推你來回答謝謝不要這樣子藐視國會到這種程度不敢來部長請您 |
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告訴一下市長本席剛剛問什麼問題經過八次的討論以後因為這個是在我上任之前他剛剛跟我報告之後您上任之前八次會議是在您上任之前嗎對對對那八次會議是在我上任之前但是那個我上任之後是主要是跟一些工協會跟學者在討論這個議題 |
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那我得到的那個那時候初步剛上任的時候想法是那時候認為著作臨階權是比較可行的方案著作臨階權對但是現在現在因為歐盟實施了一年多兩年也發生了一些問題所以反而是讓我們覺得說因為我們看到這個強制議價法有問題著作臨階權也發生一些問題 |
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基金也有問題所以三者都有問題但公共政策來講其實某種程度上沒有百分之百完美無瑕的政策怎麼樣能夠達到我們的政策目標方向所以現在我們有沒有比較聚焦 |
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現在就是說因為在這個過程中後來Google有個共榮基金這個一個機制這個機制在過去三年提出三億的共榮基金這個可能是一個model我們還在看因為其實就兩個公司而已一個是Google一個是Meta怎麼讓Google跟Meta願意把這個一些來補助國內的新聞媒體部長那為什麼要立法 |
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我們要立法的目的跟宗旨以及政府存在的價值就是因為我們絕對不可能把所有公共政策寄託在業者的善意上或是業者他自己今天想做那如果說明天不想做他不做所以有一些東西如果部長我們先肯定你剛剛的講法是說你已經有先往八場會議有相對聚焦可能會以基金跟 |
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鄰接權的方向來走這可能會比較符合我們的國情但是不是最終提出來因為你的版本沒有可是重點在於是什麼重點在於是我們的立法還是要去有一個時程讓國人知道我們的國家方向是什麼來最後因為時間的關係最後我只請教一下你剛剛也提到就是兩家公司Meta跟Google |
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這兩家公司大家也都會使用但是它的規模大小不應該存在變成是我們政府好像沒有辦法去跟跨國公司來做談判對不對所以我們之前也一直講到Meta也好 Google也好有一些詐騙廣告它的一個部分我們也要採取強硬的態度來 內政部曾經講之前一直講說沒有法源那我們也一直講是說你們速發部要找這些業者來喝咖啡 |
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因為沒有法源嘛 但現在我們今天有法源了那內政部也講是說會診資料 會診網路平台詐騙廣告三月送速發布來裁罰現在已經五月了 兩個月過去了過去三十天我們最多的詐騙 現在也講詐騙的金額一直創新高那我們過去三十天裡面 最多詐騙廣告投放在哪裡這個我請那個訴財署署長回答所以過去三十天我們詐騙廣告最多投放在哪裡 |
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速發部自己一樣是Meta來我們看一下下一頁你們的通報網百分之本席過去就用你們的通報網有來質詢過我也講這是你們上面的資料過去30天裡面百分之80以上都是Meta或Meta相關的公司是好來回來上一頁 |
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那這樣兩個月過去了過去三十天至少有通報你們自己就已經有彙整就差不多快十萬筆那我們跟裁罰裁罰了多少我們那個就通報我們只要在二十四小時內下架的話就並不違法那我們剛剛看到那個都做到二十四小時下架嗎對 以我們訴發部這邊來講都是但是因為內政部那邊也有通報給那個META那內政部那邊他表示說他有些他配合 |
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因為國人的感覺國人的感覺過去有一些詐騙形態確實有比較減少但是詐騙有沒有進行還是持續有尤其是投資詐騙現在更加的猖獗 |
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那我現在想要請教的就是內政部收集3月送數位部裁罰那到目前為止有沒有裁罰判件到目前為止我們都還沒有收到內政部還沒有收到內政部2月6號跟我們講說要送速發部結果過去三個月了內政部沒有送到判件來2月6號的中央社新聞內政部說3月要送速發部裁罰結果剛剛次長講大白話 |
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到現在5月1號了內政部兩個多月的時間沒有送辦件來給抒發過裁判難怪詐騙猖獗啊難怪詐騙滿天飛啊政府在忙什麼因為他要送來要檢出一些證據我們是在談哪些證據應該檢附我們才能夠做裁判所以這個也有費了一點時間因為他是要檢附台灣是第三世界社會我們中華民國是第三世界國家是不是內政委員會就在那邊 |
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走路兩 三十秒然後結果你跟我們講說二月的時候跟我們講說要裁罰結果現在兩個部會在踢皮球到現在沒有裁罰半件還不是沒有裁罰半件是連送來都還沒送來部長 為什麼我現在那麼生氣 |
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就是因為兩個部分過去你們一直跟我們講是說我們要有法源依據立法院要修法才能讓你們去裁罰我們去年是不是打詐三法打詐四法打詐五法都要打詐幾法了通過了沒通過了那你們現在有武器你們不用那詐騙過去二月有下降我們看打詐儀表板差不多六十億三月突然又上升快將近百億 |
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欸不要以為被詐騙不關你們的事欸可能每一個個案都是一個破碎的家庭我之前就已經講過了結果到現在你們跟我們講是說兩個多月過去沒有裁罰辦件然後那支沒有送過來是不敢跟Meta不敢跟Google這種大公司開刀是不是我們會說24小時下架不下架我們會裁罰目前他們Google Meta完全配合這一點所以這個沒有問題部長我沒有辦法接受你的話 |
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是因為剛剛市長已經親口證實了連資料都沒有送來速發部你怎麼有辦法告訴我們是說他們配合就是我們這個我們速發部跟那個內政部都有在做打詐的工作我們這邊會通報那個把那個疑似詐騙的廣告通報給Meta然後內政部那邊也會通報給Meta那我們這部分我們速發部就是處理我們速發部利用網詐通報查詢網 |
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查到的那些疑似詐騙或已經確認為詐騙我們通報給META那這一部分我們就是我們疏發部就是處理這部分的工作 謝謝好 那個部長我跟你講紅委員要的就是你們沒有說到要精準喔不要有說到說沒有說到那如果沒有說到 |
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那個洪委員已經擠出這個問題我希望部長你要去把他督促最後一定要去跟洪委員來做報告因為這個嫌疏很大內政部說有你們說沒有那這個公文跑到哪邊去所以我要拜託黃部長你要把他當成因為洪委員執行的這個他重點在這裡 |
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如果你們收到你們不開華那當然他就會針對你們那如果內政部沒有送來那當然內政部有問題所以這個你要把它理清楚回報給我們孟凱委員好不好整個政府過去這幾個月螺絲真的鬆了還是整個政府從上到下都在忙的打壓政敵對付政敵 |
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所以當看到行政院長下鄉六日就講罷免然後結果我們最應該幫國人防詐 打詐 開罰沒有收到非常離譜部長 你是一個我過去還算尊重的專業人士該專業的時候請一定要專業謝謝 |