| IVOD_ID |
160876 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160876 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T10:12:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T10:21:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc07c84e1f111284e1b1fb26350580dc1695144d4d67ecd09c18c182ccf94525d475ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:32 - 10:21:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員陳冠廷等21人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「國家安全法第十三條及第十三條之一條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員陳冠廷等23人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第八條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「國家安全法第三條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第三條、第八條及第十八條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十九條之一條文草案」案。九、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條、第三條及第七條條文修正草案」案。） |
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現在陸委會副主委好 請副主委是 委員好主委 各位在這個過程當中我們的官法有的人覺得他提議出來這條不好 那條不好有的人覺得那條要改 那條要改我們今天 |
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我們可以拜託大家來探討 為了中華民國的台灣 法律可以更好不是越修越慢 說的全都要做的 是沒辦法的每一個提出的司法 我們都尊重 |
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因為國家有國家的法律所以我們今天的想法會講到國安法要如何來修正的時候來修這個法律的時候本身是覺得非常重要剛才副主委也說過我們的組織組織本身有做到你沒做到你那個人比組織的人 |
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在這個過程當中國家會不好啦因為我覺得一個國家你不管是怎樣想法就是我們想不到的,路到不到的最近你看中國怎樣如何讓人打壓的心,如何利用 |
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我們的臺灣人來攻擊中華民國的臺灣人這是非常嚴重的在這裡面你有看到我們最近正在作弊跟問題嗎來請副主委你回答一下我要報告我剛剛就講其實我們國安法它的規範的範圍其實很窄對其實很窄對那我舉個例子譬如說 |
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如果譬如說何韻詩小姐香港那位何韻詩她曾經在來台灣被某些人潑妻那我們知道背後可能有指使但是潑妻的這個行為 |
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他顯然是在我們看來他就有害國家安全因為他是針對特定的人士然後因為特定的政治主張但是在我們國安法裡面這個就沒有規範 |
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我的意思就是說我們國安法確實是很窄它只處罰說發展組織跟刺探機密就只有這兩種但是國家安全絕對不只是這兩種 |
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所以我們陸委會的立場就是對於委員對於社會上所要提出的任何的加強國安法的這些我們都是贊成支持的,謝謝因為在本席跟你談到,覺得一個國家如果要補充就很簡單 |
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一個國家可以經典和國際來撤兵的時候,那是不簡單的啦尤其中華民國的台灣,說實在,我們的認識非常強硬在中國利用藏人來到我們北海的時候,這是非常的嚴重啦 |
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最近我們也看到港鐵 我都覺得你的廢鐵不管是在哪裡的生育費我們都一定是要辦、要做的啦這才是有負擔的國家啦因為有的人說 不敢說因為民進黨會把你們的資金所有的供費、廢鐵都在你們旁邊你們自己處理不好 |
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這次是這樣說的,我覺得不對,不管他是在哪裡都一定要辦,是不是這樣來?是,所以我們在法律上面也是要收款,所以我們很努力的在做,但是法律的授權不足,法律涵蓋的範圍不足 |
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所以就拜託各位委員如果可以幫忙我們做一些改進或是增強 我們都很歡迎 |
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對啦 因為今天想 我們這次想想這個法例 希望大家有意見 提出來探討 提出來講因為 我覺得 既然你做公務人員也好 做民運代表中央的國會的委員也好 你要去告 |
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帝國的時候要到中國的時候說不用報備我都想不到是在怕什麼是在煩惱什麼因為我覺得 |
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寶貝 他說我沒心沒力 我要來這個國家這樣有什麼問題嗎 有什麼好處嗎來 副主委你回答一下關於立法委員附入審查的問題其實我們兩岸條例的規定就是說這個要由立法院要提出名單然後交給主管機關 |
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那這麼多年來其實五院裡面像監察院司法院一些法官碰到有國安案件的他們也都會提出來那監察院裡面有碰到國安案件的這些監委然後包括他委員會裡面的工作人員等等監察院也會提出名單給我們那這些都是要審查的 |
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那但是這麼多年來 其實立法院從來沒有提出過名單從來沒有從來沒有那所以對我們來說的話 這個就是造成很大的困擾等於是兩岸條例有規定 請各機關提出名單 但是因為立法院從來沒提 |
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因為本席跟你談到這一個是說 所了解是怎樣不愛客的範圍裡面我也讓蘇貞霞聽到沒有廣東的立委的說你不要讓我們去 先來你們說 再回來跟報備我說聽差一點 跟你要去做什麼你不用報備 再回來跟說的 再講一個 |
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沒有意義的事情所以你要怎麼可以我們如果沒有那個法如果他沒有報備你也沒辦法其實我們對於譬如說縣市長然後如果是立委的如果立委的話我們這些審查我們都基本上是尊重也就是說雖然說是審查 尊重啦雖然說是審查但是其實是報備 難怪有人說你整個很大實在有人要報不報啦 |
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但是我的感覺是覺得現在的報紙也很方便的直播也很方便的什麼人有期待一個國家什麼人有期待一個國家應該大家都看到啦我的感覺是覺得應該要有信請才可以去因為是怎樣那個國家對中華民國的台灣太壞了啦不管是 |
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又要讓我們挑戰,不管是要說我們的排位啦所以在這個環境裡面,我覺得這一點我們要繼續堅持下去,繼續提出我們的提案你看三百多次了 |
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當然我們還是要繼續我們要互相加油因為台灣這個土地中華民國不能讓憂心人被我們破壞了以上是 謝謝委員 |