| IVOD_ID |
160874 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160874 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T09:56:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T10:03:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc0300a884c9a0d09f51fb26350580dc1695144d4d67ecd09c1147423978a1619b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:56:26 - 10:03:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員陳冠廷等21人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。二、審查委員沈伯洋等17人擬具「國家安全法第十三條及第十三條之一條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員陳冠廷等23人擬具「國家安全法第四條及第八條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員邱志偉等16人擬具「國家安全法第三條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員王定宇等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條及第七條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員沈伯洋等20人擬具「國家安全法第三條、第八條及第十八條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員陳冠廷等19人擬具「國家安全法增訂第十九條之一條文草案」案。九、審查委員黃捷等16人擬具「國家安全法第二條、第三條及第七條條文修正草案」案。） |
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我先請陸委會副主委加陸委會主委所以委員好 |
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副主委剛剛也有很多很多的委員質詢這一個我們今天所說的違反國安的樣態其實是非常多的對不對沒有錯沒有錯啦以前都說匪諜在身邊匪諜在身邊可是我們現在我們就舉一個最近的例子好了 |
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這個副主委如果說連民政處長民政局長都可以洩露個資那其實我們的個資是不是也有很有可能早就被洩露了你認為有沒有這種可能可能性很大可能性很大因為 |
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老實講我們的很多個資是在散落在各個政府機關裡面那護證系統或者是實度出境管理系統兵役資料的管理等等那基本上所有的這些資料都是對岸有興趣的資料對嘛所以他最想要的其實就是拿我們這個這個護證師有沒有人好來 |
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我剛說的這個可能有沒有可能?是會有可能都有可能嗎?那你們要查一下啊 |
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其實在護證機關這邊來說其實它利用到所謂護證系統其實它屬於個人資料保護法所規範的個人資料所以必須依照個資法所規定的來蒐集或利用所以超出這樣的一個法定使用的目的之外其實就會有違反個資法的問題不知道護醫證系統裡面任何人去查這個應該都會留下軌跡吧會 |
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會嘛是那你們要查一下啊 |
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這個問題已經發生了你知道嗎已經發生了啊如果涉及不法的話現在檢調機關已經在做查處那個是檢調機關啦身為呼籲症管理系統的你們你們就全部丟給他們你這樣怎麼保護人民我們其實每年都會定期到22個地方政府去做集合 |
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不是啦 你回答我的這等於是官話嘛 對不對現在大家就在這邊講 這個是很有可能發生的啊難民就要本於全責啊 對不對你本於全責 你全台灣可能要查一下啊 對不對誰有不法使用 誰有什麼的 你們就要喝止未來可以發生啊這段期間誰有不法使用的這個啊 你們應該要主動查啊 |
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對不對 民眾的個資 你如果這樣回答 哇 全台灣人都擔心全台灣人的個資不知道被賣到哪裡去了在行政管理上 當然我們會促請地方政府也要去依照相關法令來做那我們也會來做監督跟做集合你們會做集合 我們看看你們怎麼做 |
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來那個副主委那現在啊國安法裡面確實是有一些漏洞有很多的比如說民意代表或什麼的啊去到中國其實他做什麼也都不用特別特別的做審報做什麼也都不用啊是不是 |
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報告委員 其實我們國安法不是有漏洞而已其實它涵蓋的層面非常的窄因為它其實只處罰兩種行為一個就是幫中共或敵對勢力竊取機密或是發展組織大概就這兩種行為但我們其實違反國家安全的行為 |
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絕對不只這兩種啦大家可以參考一下比如說韓國的國安法它是包括幫北韓政權任何的宣傳行為都是禁止的那所以我們的國安法其實我不太知道說當初的立法緣由但是它其實涵蓋的範圍非常窄處罰的行為也非常有限 |
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所以我們的國安法 我個人是認為應該要補正很多東西所以這才是我們今天大家要修法要來說的好 謝謝副主委我請那個次長 次長跟司法院來 我們家的次長司法院 |
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我想直接請教一個很實際的問題未來如果軍事法庭恢復了以後若是退伍軍人招募現役軍人進行組織犯罪在同一案的現役軍人跟退役軍人是不是要分開審理還是合併審理 |
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跟委員報告因為目前這個軍事審判相關的法案的研議還是由國防部主責那我們是跟他這個協助共同來討論未來要怎麼樣來切分那至於說這個這個相關的範圍還有這個審判權之間如何劃分還有公範的問題其實都還在研議當中那司法院呢報告委員因為軍審法是國防部主管的法規 |
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那去了解應該是他們規範的範圍應該是現役軍人那非現役軍人的部分應該還是由普通法院來審理不過細節或規劃方向可能還是要問國防部比較準確所以我剛剛點出來的問題一個退役的一個現役的分開審是不是這樣的意思是不是 |
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這個可能詳情要問國防部對啦大概目前了解好沒關係我就是要所以啦有很多的例子我們剛我舉了幾個例子了你說國安法有沒有修正的必要 |
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我的結論是這樣啊有那麼多個我剛講的那麼多案例所以國安法真的是有修正的必要啊有的人說這個不需要去修國安法但我認為有這麼多我就舉一個很明顯的例子給大家看了這沒有必要修法嗎 |
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次長你要回答我們其實也剛剛在報告裡面要回答委員都有說明至少就這個推幅的機制還有這個剝奪的部分已經在進行還有在關於參與組織的部分我們也在進行好謝謝 |