| IVOD_ID |
160870 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160870 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T11:25:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T11:35:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc00b0ee976074d08464de01e9c6ce952975144d4d67ecd09c134c366ed1daa38bd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:52 - 11:35:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝趙偉,有請部長好,部長,我們看一下照片部長,你知道今天氣候先鋒者發起人楊家法也是台電員工帶著台電員工將近百位在經濟部剛剛抗議,您知道這件事嗎? |
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這個我有收到報告那您知道他們的訴求嗎我今天早上還沒有到經濟部那您知道他們的訴求嗎 |
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嗯?知道他們的訴求嗎?不清楚好,第一個他們都認為啊現階段台電並沒有公開透明並沒有負起責任並且相關的政策是大量的虧錢他其中就舉到一個啊人事開銷你們說啊一年遵截了四億但是呢錯誤的能源政策四天就燒掉了九億 |
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部長他們今天所有人的訴求在經濟部在你的經濟部面前在這邊抗議你有沒有要回應一下報告委員我想這個一個團體裡面我們台電大概有3萬個員工 |
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那他一百多個人是不是都是我們台電的我也不太清楚我剛剛有特別確認他跟我講他今天同仁至少至少一百位是台電的同仁不是路人嘉義秉丁但是你要跟我講三萬個人然後只有一百個人到現場他是少數的意思嗎那難道我們所有的其他的公民團體抗議他就不能夠代表他們一定的聲音嗎 |
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他是不是代表一定的聲音或者是他只是自己個人的聲音我不太清楚一百個員工就是一股力量一股聲音嘛但是我要跟委員報告的就是說我們的員工有三萬人但是你不能說你有三萬人他就是少數所以他的聲音不重要是嗎 |
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我不是說他不重要不重要是你說的所以你不需要跟我講你台電員工有沒有三萬人今天重點是有一群台電的員工他們願意站出來願意表達他們的心聲他們是現職的員工但是他們不為這些強勢他們願意站出來我想問你的是你願不願意回應他們嗎 |
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回應什麼啊 我不知道他在訴求什麼對不起 我剛剛跟你講的時候 你在旁邊跟人家聊天啊我沒有在聊天 我沒有聊天喔 第一 你們說整潔開銷將人事資料他們所謂的人事開銷一年省了4億但是錯誤的能源政策四天燒掉9億他是台電人 他看不下去整個錯誤的能源政策讓台電面臨巨大的虧損您怎麼回應 是嗎 |
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那你覺得台電是賺錢喔?台電賺大錢喔?那如果台電是賺大錢,現在還需要虧損嗎?你認為是他講的,這是大陣火虧損嗎?所以你認為是賺錢?沒有賠損沒有說他是賺錢,但是你認為他是虧損喔?這是他們目前講出來的數據您到現在只是要跟我在那邊鬥嘴,沒有意義啊我沒有跟你鬥嘴啊我說他現在提出的數據,您可不可以回應? |
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您認為呢我不知道要回應什麼他說虧錢錯誤的能源政策虧錢有很多種原因不能講這個事情是什麼能源政策他是專家嗎 |
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他是第一線實際在台電上班的員工看不下去啊那請問一下您這樣講那您是專家嗎他看不下去那您是專家嗎不好意思他看不下去您是專家嗎對不對看不下去你講這句話我就要問你現階段你說請他離開你會不會秋後算帳 |
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這些人為了自己的心聲為了全國百姓的聲音出來你請他離開你是不是要秋後算帳這是你講的那你為什麼要請他離開這是你講的喔你為什麼要在這個國會電台裡面講說請他離開國會電台不在講你要就事實來論述你不能夠隨便亂講啊 |
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今天我是轉說這些團體他們的聲音你要怎麼用3.3%的人來講這件事情第二個你又在著重在1.3%你現在就是覺得他們人數少看不起他們嗎 |
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你知道我們一年有多少營業額嗎你都不就我剛剛問的問題來回答第一我說他們的心聲是這樣你願不願意回答你一下說他是專家嗎你一下說他是1.3%的人你現階段你又在剛剛回答說那他可以離開啊所以我要問的第二個問題你現在會不會秋後算帳這些人 |
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我為什麼要邱鶴擅長因為看起來你剛剛態度就是很強硬所以你被請他們離開啊看我的態度跟我看你的態度也都差不多吧那你怎麼可以在國會電台這邊請人家離開國會議員 郭部長我們現在不要動氣好不好是你在講的嘛我們調回剛剛的事實嘛你剛剛說他不高興他可以離開啊他當然啦 我們沒有要求他說你這個不可以離開啊 |
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你這種態度就是漠視這些發聲的人嘛那怎麼講呢 對不對我就希望你就是事實回答他今天在經濟部的地上陳情書剛剛我也講了這些實際他們所發言的東西而且台電 他如果對台電不滿報告委員 報告委員他如果對台電不滿 他可以到台電去 |
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經濟部是主管機關啦經濟部整個能源政策是主管機關你不要推給台電那我請教你就你說的話嘛國內約有84%的電力將轉由火力發電這是事實吧沒有錯是81%轉成84%好那我想請問一下晚上沒有太陽無風無雨那請問一下晚上火力發電會達到多少 |
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會不會將近一百沒有太陽能啊無風無雨啊 |
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你這個假設情況的機率非常的小好我跟你講我們還有地熱還有水力我當然知道所以我說將近一百嘛我剛剛是說將近一百我沒有跟你講說是百分百嘛你這樣講的是你不是這個意思嗎那我問你嘛晚上無風無雨或者是沒有太陽晚上一定沒有太陽吧是84%嗎是84%火力發電嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
429.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
443.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
多少我要看數字一定會增加對不對一定會增加對不對報告委員就我們的這個資料顯示就是87%是全年的平均全年的平均 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
444.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
466.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
你用全年的平均來跟我回答好我們現階段要跟大家講的是台中市是最痛苦的一手拿著我們的稅金去所謂的撥補一手漲著我們的電價再來火力發電都在台中最大宗現階段燃氣機組準備要上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
468.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
493.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
你藍莓機組不願意換王美花說願意 之前願意的承諾的條件那請問一下郭部長 換到你王美花說的還算不算數藍棲機組換藍莓機組我們本來就是藍棲機組換藍莓機組但你還有沒有備而不用嘛備而不用這個是另外一個安全上面的考量嘛會有這樣的安全考量就是因為我們缺電嘛就是電不夠多嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
494.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
504.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以基本上你就是希望當整個緊急有問題的時候甚至有這些問題產生的時候你們所謂的跳電然後就要產生我們的機器來使用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
505.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
530.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
安全不是說電力不夠叫做安全有一些國防的issue也叫做安全那我要講的是中部地區啊也包含彰化我們在火力發電抗議的時候彰化王縣長也來到現場中部地區的空汙實在是非常嚴重所以我們希望經濟部啊真的要檢討現在的能源政策並且我希望這些員工他們發聲雖然是少數 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
532.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
557.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我尊重你的說法但是我們一定要尊重他們的聲音並且能夠保障他們的工作權我們一定尊重少數我沒有講說不尊重少數喔我們當然是尊重少數我只是說他是自由的他可以表達他的意思這樣很好但是您剛剛不要提到說他不高興他可以離開那您感覺就是說你不要來做啊你不要隨便定義我的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
558.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
576.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
你不要講這樣的話啦你不要隨便定義我的話保障這些人的工作權我的話我自己定義你不要隨便定義我的話你講出來了你就接受可受公平嗎我當然接受 但是我講的是我定義不是你定義這些我就不再跟你再多做了因為趙委一直在說時間到了 不好意思喔謝謝 |