IVOD_ID |
160869 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160869 |
日期 |
2025-05-01 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
11 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-05-01T11:18:22+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-05-01T11:25:46+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:07:24 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc07aba01f5505e6af04de01e9c6ce952975144d4d67ecd09c15217a0206b96f6855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
委員發言時間 |
11:18:22 - 11:25:46 |
會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議(事由:審查:
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】) |
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謝謝主席,是嗎?有請部長 |
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委員好部長好針對台灣民眾黨立法院黨團所提出來核三演繹的公投你日前在接受媒體訪問的時候你說這很簡單只要修法不需要公投我相信那個直播應該有忠實傳達部長的意思那不過我還想再確定一下第一個是所以部長你的意思是只要修法通過行政部門會執行核三的演繹嗎 |
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我的意思是你只要通過這個法是然後呢我在這個法的框架之下是我應該執行的任務是我不會這個退卻所以你還是沒有回答我的問題法修過只是幫你們研議除去法規上面的障礙嗎這個是確定的事情但是 |
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立法者可以幫你們除去法規上的障礙障礙除去掉以後要不要和珊研議這件事情權力還是在行政部門手上那為了慎重起見所以我才請教部長您的意思是只要法修正通過了以後行政部門會推動和珊研議嗎 |
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報告委員我想是這個樣子這個法通過了那經濟部是不是可以獨立來執行這個法我想我經濟部可能沒有那麼大的這個權限沒關係你就代表經濟部發言就好了我代表經濟部我是經濟部長我當然是代表經濟部發言所以我一定是行政院這個是行政院的這個職責行政院有要求我們執行的時候我們一定會執行 |
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好那現在下一個問題公投通過了以後你覺得行政院要不要執行這個公投通過了以後行政院要不要執行行政院會有判斷行政院會判斷依法行政院可以判斷嗎依法行政院可以判斷嗎公投通過了以後行政院還有判斷餘地嗎行政院還可以自己判斷說人民公投的結果出來了以後行政院還可以自己判斷要不要執行公投的結果行政院有這個權利嗎 |
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我不是行政院院長所以我也不知道其實你不需要是行政院院長就可以知道因為公民投票法裡面上面已經規範得非常清楚了嘛公民投票法規範有關於重大政策公投通過了以後就應該由總統或權責機關來實現嘛那否則的話我們公民投票法是定好玩的嗎 |
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所以從這個觀點上面來講我們立法院幫你們除去法規上面的障礙行政院要不要往前再慢一步這件事情你說你是經濟部長沒有辦法代表行政院院長發言這個我尊重但問題是我要提醒的是什麼我要提醒的是依照公民投票法的規定這種重大政策的公民投票通過了以後總統或行政權責機關就要執行這個是法律明確的規定這是法律明確的規定 |
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到時候行政部門就沒有選擇餘地了當然當然嘛我們同意啊那如果是這個樣子的話你覺得這公投有沒有意義還是沒意義嗎這公投意義非常的大啊公投通過行政部門就要執行啊跟單純的立法部門除去掉法規範的障礙以後行政院要不要執行行政院還可以做決定兩個法律狀態完全不一樣啊我有說錯嗎這個法律的部分我已經 |
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我尊重那個委員你的這個好沒有關係第二個部分我上次啊請教卓榮泰說2025再生能源達到20%啊大概這個是確定票票了啦現在賴清德總統他希望能夠達成的目標是2026年年年底以前再生能源達到20%嘛這在媒體上面講了非常多次了我去年請教卓榮泰的時候目標啦大家都會喊 |
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目標大家都會喊怎麼樣達到那個目標的路徑才是重要的事情但很遺憾可能是卓榮他去年剛上台我問他這個問題的時候他一問三不知我事後也給行政院包括經濟部補交作業的機會來我先請教一下部長2024年年底我們再生能源的佔比達到了百分之多少 |
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去年是11.5去年是11.5嘛其實具體的數字應該是11.6啦我為什麼敢這樣講來我秀給部長看因為呢這個是行政院的施政報告在今年到立法院來的施政報告他講的是11.6我相信施政報告上面寫的數字是正確的啦但是去年年底的時候你是不是知道經濟部所提給我的報告到2024年的時候你們的預估是達到百分之多少 |
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這上面寫12.3 12.3所以從今年行政院院長所提出來的報告到去年你們年底的時候所給我的預估清楚的看得出來我們再生能源占比整個進度是落後的本來你們預估是12.3結果實際上面只有11.6現實上面的狀況是這個樣子好來蔡英文她在 |
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之前2025再生人員20票票了嘛那現在賴清德心喊的是再生人員2026會達到20%達得到嗎我們在努力在努力嘛你們經濟部給我的報告預估是達到多少你知道嗎這白紙黑字啊這個都有經濟部給我的資料啊上面寫上面寫18.9啊 |
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上面寫18.9所以連你們經濟部的報告我分兩個層次講第一個經濟部的報告事實上你們的預測跟實際的進度比起來你們的預測已經過度樂觀了第二個我即使按照你們自己所提出來的預測到2026年年底一樣不會達到20%對不對是吧 |
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我們現在在努力嘛現在在努力嘛那針對有關於2026要達標的這件事情經濟部現在有鑒於過去的評估已經失準了嗎現在還有沒有在做新的評估出來 |
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我們從各個太陽能、離岸風險、地熱、小水利全部把它加起來然後我們現在重新的訂目標重新去整合我們管理的模式改變希望2026年能達到2028年包括你那個管理的模式最新的數據出來了嗎因為從你去年11月給我的數據到今天的角度上面來看就完全失準了 |
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那你剛剛有講你們重新有管理模式重新訂目標全部都要加起來非常的好這些新的數據新的預估可以提供嗎我們來做這個報告給你可以嗎好謝謝 |