| IVOD_ID |
160868 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160868 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T11:07:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T11:18:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc0cb4e389e6d05c1894de01e9c6ce952975144d4d67ecd09c1c6a74b42f456a0955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:09 - 11:18:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 陽泉發言邀請部長郭部長 |
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最近电价议题引发了讨论那请问电价长不长到底是谁可以决定呢电价审议委员但是我没有看到过去你们都这么说都告诉我这么说是电价审议委员但是呢 |
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我們看到賴總統行政院最近都接力的說撥補了1000億就可以不調電價請問這不就代表著電價調漲是政府在背後決定嗎報告委員 |
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我們是可以把我們的情況跟未來發展的我們改善他的這個財務情形然後讓委員去做決定委員是獨立的當然這是之前部長一直告訴我的是由電價委員會來做決定我也建請你將我們所討論的內容給電價評議委員會審議委員會但是總統先生這麼說 |
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行政院這麼說他們說了算了嗎是嗎不是 報告委員是這樣子總統當然他了解非常大的狀況今天台電因為財務的狀況導致於他疲於奔命為什麼 |
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他已經90%負債了所以總統先生說的你聽不聽如果說這個撥補了1000億就可以不調漲電價你會照著他說的去執行之嗎我們大概這個是一個邏輯的評論一個邏輯的評論 |
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總統邏輯的評論一千億下去那麼可以改善他的財務那麼我們也會建請所有的審議委員他們是不是可以朝著不漲價的方向來考量所以您現在所說的總統先生我們在媒體上看到的是說他是一個邏輯的評論是嗎他只是這樣講所以不是真的不是撥補一千億就不會漲價是嗎 |
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這個委員你不能這樣子講總統講的時候那個情境只是告訴大家我今天撥補一千億那我大概這個方式可以讓台電在將來再考慮要不要重新調整價格的時候可以考慮是不是不漲價 |
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所以還是問號還不是決定號所以本期要請教這一次的預算特別預算裡頭4100億當中我們也有行政院也包括要撥補台電1000億元這就是剛剛我們所討論的如果你可以說撥補了1000億你就不漲價當然我們有討論的空間 |
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你點頭你點頭那所以本家已經叫我是同意你現在講話喔我怎麼很怕你如果我點頭你就說我同意不是啊我們兩個在尋答嗎要講清楚吧所以總統今天這麼說我也要請你說明清楚啊對不對請說明不是啊那你現在 |
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說我點頭的這件事情我只是呼應你剛才在講的這一句話非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 呼應對呀非常好啊 |
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不要變成財務的黑洞那當然有討論的空間嘛那所以本期要告訴你因為以前我們已經砸了3000億來撥補那店家又多次的這個調漲民生的部分統計大概是40% |
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所以到現在還是虧損繼續跟人民這個繼續要漲價啊所以在這樣子的話之下證明我們真正的原因是我們的能源政策它的來源它的來源才是最重要的根基啊報告委員我們大家都很清楚台灣的能源是多元的能源 |
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各種能源我們能夠用的我們都用好部長你講的這個就非常好我們能夠用的我們都要用但是我們能夠用的本席告訴你我們廢核把核電平均最低的1.12元成本最低的要廢掉不用 |
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煤跟氣的一個發電成本是2.5塊到3塊左右你像開發商所買的風、光、電是5塊到6塊半這也就是您所說的各種能源我們都需要用但是我們就是有學者來支出我們統計的這個數字說去年購入火力發電跟風、光、電的這個額外支出那就會加總又超過了600億 |
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在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教我們現在再生能源的發展跟不上你電力的這個需求嘛所以你必須要買你必須要買這是你虧損的主要原因啊我們要怎麼樣去調整要怎麼樣去調整我們目前政府 |
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又貴又錯又缺的這個能源政策啊我們要怎樣去調整我告訴你在你回答之前在你回答之前81%的是這個化石的這個材料因為它是過去的漲價導致於我們在成本上面的高啦 |
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所以部長你這麼說就是本席繼續要跟你討論的台電自己本身所提出的財務改善計畫他特別說了實話他說就算你3000億萬再撥補2000億2026年到2027年他一樣會虧損 |
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因為台電說他沒有辦法單靠自身努力去達到損益兩平而且他還具體建議如果燃料成本波動可考量適度的調整民生電價或政府持續的補助民生用電這是台電自己所提出的財務的一個報告所以看到這些本席要請教 |
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撥補完還要漲價 漲價完還要再撥補那這怎麼辦呢北京絕對據實的要求不能把人民當為是體管機這一點非常重要 你們應該要從你的能源政策真正的去探討這才是重點啊 部長 您請說明 |
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報告委員我想你們的這個指教我們都會參考我們也會去檢討為什麼他會這樣子說他到這個2026年27年還是虧損那我們會檢討他在上面的報告的內容到底是怎麼樣 |
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部長這是台電自己本身所提出的報告也就是他們真正所需要的所以你經濟部應該要好好的去協助他們你必須釜底抽薪從能源政策去檢討啊要不然你告訴我們說總統先生所說的你認為他是一個評論 |
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那人民到底要依靠什麼要依靠什麼原本大家還講你如果真的撥補了1000億就不會漲價你可以答應我們嗎你可以答應我們嗎如果我有這個權利的話 |
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你是部長啊你沒有這個權利啊所以本席本來要問你如果撥補了一千億你要答應我們不漲價是一年半年還多少年你告訴我你沒有這個權利那我們民眾要怎麼辦呢這個漲不漲價是 |
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這個電價審議委員會的權利嘛我怎麼可能是好 那這個議題我也希望你來反映民眾不可以當為提款機你們必須要真正的從能源的根據去討論那最後一個議題喔我要請問我們說要購買SMR |
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那我也聽到你的專訪 我很歡喜因為我們採開放的態度所以本學要請教 未來不排除採購小型模組化的這個反應爐 SMR那我們目前的政府 您說我們有在做規劃 有在推動這個技術請教目前的進度規劃如何呢那我們是不是代表著政府不再堅持非核家園 請教 |
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報告委員我們講過了對新的科技的能源新的科技的這個能源科技我們並沒有排除基本上在這個它是安全的它是核廢料可以處理的那麼人民有共識在這個三個前提之下我們都歡迎討論所以目前我們您所專訪所提出的SMR我們確實有在規劃 |
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我們有在討論這個議題我們也希望有一個方向也可以告訴我們但是本席要告訴你因為每一次討論到這個議題也就是環境基本法23條本席也有提案也就是逐步達成非核家園改成淨零碳排的目標你同意吧 |
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方向應該是這個這個我們如果是這個立法院的決定我們當然一定要尊重好所以如果這個法案通過也就是換句話說取消非核家園喔那麼您是支持的那本席也希望大家一起來支持因為目前我們必須跟世界來接軌也就是說環境基本法是一個關鍵者所以本席再請教您既然支持這個方向本席也有提案很多的委員也有提案那請教行政院會提案嗎 |
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因為你這個版如果沒有改你其他的開放態度都沒有辦法落實只要大院通過的大院通過的我們當然可以尊重啊你會執行嗎行政院版會提出嗎行政院版會提出嗎這個跟 |
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那個環境部的事情 不是經濟部的事情所以本席問你啊 行政院本啊我是經濟部長你是經濟部長 當然你要參與其中你不要用思維去瞭解啊對不對 你要參與其中去瞭解啊這個是政府橫向組織非常重要所以您剛才回答一句話 也就是說如果立法院通過 你會遵循之我依法依規 我一定要遵循好 謝謝 我們一起加油好 謝謝 謝謝委員 |