| IVOD_ID |
160858 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160858 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T10:02:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T10:14:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc08d2f7f2c033172284de01e9c6ce952975d77c67688655a429f750fbe189a9eba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:02:49 - 10:14:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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谢谢主席 请郭部长您好 部长 |
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这个会议从一开始到现在我们针对美国对等关税这个议题都一直是我们立法院这个询答里面最聚焦的一个焦点最重要就是因为美国对我们经济体系的合作关系它的漠视而且对我们提高了整个关税的问题那我们朝野不分党派一定也会做我们 |
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这个整个产业的依靠来协助他们度过这个难关所以在4月4号的时候我们提出了880亿这个支持产业这个方案那部长这边也有到地方去跟他们做一个关心请听之旅回来之后的话我们看到我们这次提出来的预算里面 |
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這個特別預算裡面有增加50億總共不管是工業還是農業部加起來的話總共是930億這個部分但是整筆預算裡面我們看到了我們這次的特別預算是針對這個對等關稅 這關稅的問題提出特別預算那這次特別預算的話從我們剛剛講到工業跟農業總共才930億但是他的特別預算是4100億 |
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所以經過我們預算法的這個83條這個特別預算是經過這個像經濟非常有特別的這個變動變化的情形有的需要的話我們才會提出這個特別預算但是我們看到這一次的4100億的這個特別預算裡面有國土安全的就1500億 |
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在這個培養人才就這個170億還有這個整個勞建寶這個300億通通放進去如果這些都有需要的話一般行政的預算就是用追加就好了為什麼要放進去如果說像部長你特別講到的 |
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這個我們這個要追加1000億給這台電這個也可以用追加預算不用放到特別預算裡面是不是你整個包裹的話就叫我們要跟你背書囉因為因為報告委員我可以講報告委員是這樣子我想你也很清楚發生這個關稅等等關稅的這個問題以後那我們雖然提出來第二天就提出來一個881億的這樣的一個預算的規模那個是針對 |
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這個關稅32%的情況之下造成的面對這個32%關稅的時候我們採取的措施但是我們開始在訪談然後到每一個地方去跟業者座談我們發現比我們想像的 |
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第二波造成第二波的影響對產業我們是全力支持的你要加到950億我們都會支持對 報告委員我們的意思就是說產業然後它往外外溢的時候碰到一個新的我們沒有考慮到譬如說為什麼你看裡面有國防有社會安全的會有 |
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我們後來發現美國一直加中國的這個關稅加到這個兩百多啦中國他不可能再賣到美國去但是中國那些東西會跑到哪裡去一定往這個亞洲外溢出來嘛外溢出來就會到台灣啊所以這個是我們所擔心的那個衝擊更大 |
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那個衝擊非常大所以我們目前我們就是禁止傾銷禁止受到紅色供應鏈進到臺灣洗產地這些都是我們必須要額外再發展一些費用需要防範的部分這個是更可怕的一個錢 |
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然後第二個那一天講說直接你們也一直在這個指導我們指教我們說不是只有直接那個蘇美的廠商它的供應鏈廠商的供應鏈 |
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所以產業我們都要不管要轉型還是協助他們的設備要更新我們都可以包含進去只要針對產業的我們全力都支持不夠的我們再增加都可以那個是在930億裡面 |
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但是他外溢到這個社會上面社會的安全照顧包括健保也算進去啦對 包括為什麼把國土安全也算進去啦是 包括委員因為這個以後啊有一些我們台商在中國的台商他會轉移他生產陣地 |
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所以部長你的意思是說民事院統治4100億就是跟這對等關稅有關係而且也跟產業有關係那為什麼4100億我們看到關心產業的不到四分之一是不到四分之一你不能把其他的都包裹進來外溢的效應會比較大外溢的效應非常非常的大包括你要知道我們現在 |
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就是像中國來講 譬如說那個啤酒 啤酒會大量傾銷到台灣來那你要協助哪一部份我們要防止它 洗產地嘛那你要協助產業對不對 |
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對這個關稅部分呢我們要協助的不是只有對這個關稅這部分我們要造成社會上面的動盪我們現在提的是特別預算必須符合我們預算法的83條因為關稅而引起的這個社會的改變你這些部分都可以用一般預算來追加 |
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你要懂得預算法 所有一切都依法嘛不然人家講的依法就是個法啊這有法源依據的部分我們是依法 報告委員所以依法我才告訴你 這法放到這裡83條我知道的情況是這樣的 4100億我們都是用稅計盈餘來做的嘛因為有人要講說 |
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有人在講說你最近有這麼多錢嘛那一人都發一萬 |
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那是沒有辦法的人才這樣講我們有辦法可以照顧全員因為受到這個官稅的動盪補發一萬塊是全民的你收全民的超收的稅金發給全民是合理的那現在碰到這個對等關稅我們就把這5723億做你的基底來協助產業不要外包其他無相關於產業的部分包產業度過這個危機 |
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你要知道那個叫聯誼作用然後他一波一波就要翻譯好一切依法依我們的預算法一般行政部分你就一般行政部分用追加的部分照預算法啊你不能包裹下去就大家跟你背書啊那未來如果影響的第二波第三波的當然 |
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有第二波第三波 這就是本席要提醒你的你現在想把他包裹進來的話 未來你看我們跟美國要這個談判這個關稅的問題五月底就要談喔我知道你要講這個問題啦所以我提醒你 那未來你五月底的時候輪到我們跟美國在做這個 |
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這個磋商的時候如果美國還是繼續沒有放鬆這32%的關稅我們是不是繼續擴大再變這個預算特別預算報告委員是不是32%你現在就把滿額特別預算做出來了32%美國已經講說它是最高的 |
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最高的我們就用32%來推論所以不會超過32%吳業底的磋商他這32%沒有放鬆你要繼續來擴大對美國的這個採購跟投資擴大我們再繼續編特別預算嗎 |
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沒有 我們現在所做的就是32%所以你說未來就算他沒有鬆綁那你也不會再繼續擴大來編列我們講過了嘛這個是到110 |
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116年的年底嘛好不好所以你說到116年你不再擴大編列特別預算來支援這個對等關稅你說的不是我編預算不是現在你說的嘛我的經濟部不是我不是這個 |
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564.24 |
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主席長我也不是行政院長欸你不能用這個問題來問我我說針對產業你不能用這個問題問我啦這超過我的權限啦所以我才說你們有需要的特別預算是針對對等關稅問我經濟部的部分問我經濟部的部分我來回答你好不好好 部長那我請問這次的特別預算是不是針對於美國的對等關稅才提出的特別預算我們經濟部就是針對美國對等關稅提出來的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
567.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
576.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所以現在4100億裡面都是包含在經濟部產業的需求嗎是需求嗎產業需求所以你認同4100億都是產業的需求很多的想法都是未雨綢繆未雨綢繆就像您在座談會也講說你們不要雨天收傘 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
587.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
607.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
對不對 對所以照顧那個廠商嘛我們不預先說 類似這個樣子就是說先考慮到可能最差的狀況怎麼樣那我想行政院應該就是按照這樣第一波的影響可能930億但是第二波 第三波 第二波就是社會的影響所以我才說這4100億都要對我們產業的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
611.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
628.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
提出來因為這個特別預算就是對於關稅的問題才有這特別預算不要無相關的把包裹進來這才是對產業解決他們的困難那個報告委員不是說對關稅一個名目上面的影響而是實質上 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
630.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
658.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
實質的產業需求嘛所以你才去傾聽聽到有什麼沒有做到的部分我們要再來提出特別的預算再增加所以我們看到你只增加50億而已耶對不對所以其他部分的話都是比較不相關的因為那個時候啊第二天又改成說可以豁免90天嘛10% 90天嘛所以那個情境有不一樣我們是參考每一個階段的情境變異 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
659.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
682.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
做出來的推論是 因為你次次提出來的說你就用到116年3年的預算所以才特別說你要照預算法83條來編那一般的行政方面的話就用追加不要再這樣子再包括了影響沒有那麼久的話當然我們就不會用那些錢影響沒有那麼久沒有那麼大他就不會用 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
683.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
688.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
這影響有用到那麼多才才有用到好 希望你們把楊棟花刀口扎好謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝 |