| IVOD_ID |
160847 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160847 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-01T09:16:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-01T09:25:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/872e8bbe37846fc0316dd71d920c76334de01e9c6ce9529705daebae4db85f91c59471bd01b9acfd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:50 - 09:25:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、本院委員魯明哲等 19 人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員謝衣鳯等 17人擬具「再生能源發展條例第十三條條文修正草案」案。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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主席我想請郭部長部長部長早安委員長部長你今天頭髮吹得特別帥喔讚美你一下謝謝那部長我最近有很非常關心你在這個網路節目接受專訪那針對核能研議的議題提出不少具體的看法跟想法 |
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那上上週本席有提醒你或許購買核電設備甚至他的技術對於美國的這個對等關稅的談判是一個對台灣很好的籌碼那也顯然你很願意深入面對現在政府錯誤的能源政策的這個調整跟挑戰那本席在這裡要表達肯定但是這個能源問題呢真的是不是說朝夕可解的我想要理解說目前您具體的看法是 |
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因為報告委員所謂的錯誤或者正確這個是要假以時間才能夠來作為這樣的斷定每一個時間都有當時的需求那目前針對核能研疫的部分您說您有具體的想法可以說一下嗎報告委員對於您剛才講說的新的技術 |
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新的科技技術我想我們基本上的原則就是不會排斥我們也歡迎討論那對您剛才所提到的核能的部分就核能的部分我們基本上就三個原則 |
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有我知道這個核能安全全民共識核廢料處理問題你看你講到我都會背了這個是也非常重要的確非常重要那我想要知道說假設本院通過安全年限延長到60年的話經濟部目前有再做任何的積極準備嗎各種的這個情況各種的這個準備我們都有 |
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有嗎 類似有什麼準備可以譬如說在去年我們就我們就知道說這個核能的機組會在這個月就會這個下載但是我們的人去年開始一號機下的時候我們人並沒有解散我們所有的人都留著包括核二的人我們都是留著的 |
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因為這些的這個經驗這一些核能的操作經驗是非常珍貴的所以針對核能安全就第一項你講的核能安全的部分呢很多專家學者都有多次的正面評估覺得這是可行的至於那個核廢處理您在節目中也提醒說提起說目前的這個乾式儲存是可行的那 |
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現在看起來剩下的關鍵就是全民共識啦因為在之前我想我們的甘廚廠一直在地方政府申請都沒有下啦去年通過了呀對 所以剛通過嘛我們現在才開始在建置那這個進度為何呢這個是短期的甘廚這個還是短暫的但是你把你私廚的轉到甘廚你私廚就挪出空位啦 |
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對 但是這個需要時間大概目前進度是什麼時候這個第一個乾式儲存槽可以完成呢我們現在這個核一已經完成那核二現在施工中大概預計核二什麼時候可以完成 |
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大概今年的年底可以完成大概明年就可以拿到執照那核三目前有任何進度呢核三還沒有還沒有那等於說明年的這個時候你就會有核你就有核一核二的乾式儲存槽你施施移到乾式之後你就多了兩個核電廠的核廢料儲存的空間 |
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所以這個對於我們要研議是非常正面的剩下最後的這個全民共識啊其實這個這個氣候變遷國家氣候變遷對策委員會的副召集人童子賢先生他都說了台灣民意對於核能研議已有共識是不是你覺得需要公投再進一步確認這個共識呢我認為是不用公投啦 |
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所以你覺得全民共識已經有達標了嗎這個不是這麼需要公投才能夠解決的共識問題那這個共識我們意思就是說其實所謂共識對我們來講因為是對安全上面有顧慮的人那我們如果去跟他取得共識 |
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那就這個核能的運轉那這個核廢料可以處理那這兩個如果能夠解決我想大概他擔心的就是所以核廢料處理您已經在掌握之中了嗎然後包括說這個核能的安全核安全的部分我們認為這個全球這麼多的專家大家可以證明事實上這個40年的運作我們也沒有看到它出過問題 |
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沒錯 那所以現在問題就出在於會不會代表未來的20年是不是安全的這個我想要專家判斷那是不是可以競速做一個評估呢那這個東西我想報告委員也不是說公投就能夠代表大家就可以看安全一定要專家認可是 那可不可以請部長競速的指示趕快請專家開始評估因為這件事情是刻不容緩因為河三廠的二號機在5月17號停機之後 |
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會產生什麼問題你知道嗎產生的問題是 沒錯台灣達到非核家園但是火力發電廠的比重將高達84%你知道我們中南部中南部的空氣品質有多差嗎你知道我們中南部的孩子都在用廢發電所以這個火力發電的比重提高對於空氣影響的 |
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河山沒有這個停止運轉之前也是81啊那你的意思是說增加3%對你來說沒有差對你來說沒有差但是對於我就是希望說您在政策推進上要多一份謹慎多一份同理心就是要更多的證據來證明啊你這些 |
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這個核電停運之後84%的這個火力發電如何不會讓這個空氣品質變差你要說服的是這些地方的父母們我是希望說 |
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部長 你不要跟我說3%沒有差希望你有同理心我們都希望台灣的能源是更有韌性 更安全這是我們共同努力的目標但是你不能跟我說3%沒有差這樣子的話 我相信不只本行沒辦法接受甚至所有的地方政府都沒有辦法接受我不是講說 這個就是我們在努力的 |
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我們從113年的3.4萬公噸那114年我們可以下降到3.1萬公噸我們是在下降的並沒有增加的不像你所說的說84它就是增加的我們是下降的 |
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那你們要繼續努力繼續下降因為本德比照台中火力發電廠在美國的雜誌ClimateTrace上面它是全世界碳排放量名列前茅在全世界都是名列前茅你仔細看所以 |
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下降是對的 繼續下降是對的我們希望空氣品質可以越來越好然後我們的這個供電也能夠穩定就是核能如果可以研議的話我們台灣的產業才有希望我們台灣未來才有競爭力嘛好不好 部長您是這個競技總舵主你要繼續加油我們是多元的電力啦您的指教我們都會認真的來思考 |
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我們的共識也是讓這個台灣的空氣更好台灣的這個運作台灣的電力更清新這是無人質疑但是我要跟委員報告但是81%到83%不會像你所說的說哇大家開始靠廢數你87%本來那個基準就很高啦對啦所以不會說這樣慘了 |
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我們完全跟你的想法是一樣我們都是為了國人的健康在努力謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝 |