| IVOD_ID |
160842 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160842 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-30T10:15:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-30T10:32:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b6da7da99b942369bd631ba656f86293385a4fd0f0fffa49d80416c5864e049c4447f47351fe5e595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:39 - 10:32:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部民用航空局局長何淑萍、交通部鐵道局局長楊正君、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司代理董事長伍勝園、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長鄭光遠、中華航空股份有限公司董事長高星潢及國家運輸安全調查委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「近期我國航空、鐵路運營安全事件之檢討與改善及臺鐵票價調整方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好,請交通部陳部長還有民安局?民安局何局長部長,昨天我到高雄去參加華信 |
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華信那個高雄到馬祖我們的啟航典禮那麼昨天陳金邁市長也親自前來我們馬祖的山長也趕到高雄去了我想我在致詞的時候首先先講這一個高雄到馬祖的航線應該是創下藍綠藍綠我們共同合作這個最佳的一個範例 |
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那麼當場陳金脈市長也提到,官兵的部分,高雄的子弟他再補助每一張單程票價1500塊當然因為軍方那邊他可能有免票,這個他們已經在討論了,而且交代秘書長跟國防部密切的協調 |
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那麼為了促進人流,他們高雄的觀光業者陳金派市長也允諾給予優惠的方案,甚至提出希望人流能夠加強 |
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那麼當然馬祖的鄉親對這樣的一個守航非常的興奮,也期待但是覺得班次太少陳姨麥市長也表示,確實太少了一點那我支持的時候也講了,在商言商嘛,華航也好,華信也很好 |
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它是一個股份有限公司嘛,是不是?但官方去介入,因為它還有私股、民股在裡面嘛對,華航是上市公司所以希望這個航線,把它促成以後,能夠還有第二班、第三班當然謝董過去的努力,我們非常感念他高董上來以後,高董原來是華信的董事長現在華信董事長派了沒有我不曉得 |
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董事長就是高董還是高董見到?華信還沒我一直期待我有沒有機會去部長你看看有機會的話可以推薦一下好不好大財不要小用不會不會 |
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非常感謝高雄市政府還有中華航空公司、華信航空公司還有民航局交通部部長在內非常的努力讓航線能夠在6月6日順利起航這個藍綠我們能夠這樣合作最好了 |
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這個把這個航線順利起航,當然裡面還有立法委員那個誰啊,許智傑啦許智傑委員啦還有我們昆澤委員啦,大家都幫了很多的忙啦第二件事情就是這個有沒有機會,高董你在這邊,有沒有機會第二班因為你禮拜五飛過去,那回來啊,光是還要回來啊 |
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眼鏡會再加一班好不好,你努力一下我們努力好不好我們飛航以後如果可以的話你再努力一下那我也接續上次總諮詢啊,對座院長總諮詢這個錢要獻贈我來出沒什麼道理啊 |
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這個我們先試飛嘛好不好先飛嘛我們先飛啦 運量有起來其實縣政府就不用補貼如果運量有超過七成那是最好的大家都不用補貼可以讓華信可以繼續飛下去那如果超過七成或許委員剛剛所提到的兩班我們就有機會我們把運量先養起來我們非花蓮非台東你有要台東縣政府花蓮縣政府也七折嗎 |
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這個來保七這個沒道理啦是不是報告委員當時是縣府自己提出來的對啊是我們自己提出來啊為了促其實現嘛所以我們很無奈陳金派市長講的這是社會責任啊我們把它做起來之後華信來努力然後我們也請一些旅行業者大家一起共同來努力把這個醞釀把它做起來行的便利交通的安全交通部你們責無旁貸了嘛 |
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要縣政府去補貼你們很丟人耶七八千億的預算在那邊要縣政府去補貼這個小小的幾百萬這個說不過去了好不好我們一起加油一下好不好等飛機飛了以後再說高董你請回謝謝啦你休息一下嘛第二個就是馬祖大橋啊我在總諮詢的時候以前288億 |
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從一百多億幾十億到兩百八十八億這是4C精算出來的咧4C精算出來的東西卓院長突然跟我提到說要三百八十幾億我嚇一跳我想部長也嚇一跳齁那麼英國的顧問公司他的數據是依據4C4C工程顧問公司來的那我說部長 |
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能不能再找世襲啊再精算一次好不好你看國內的一些重大公共工程高鐵、桃園從高價改為地下化六百多億啊這個錢都給了當然目前國內的環境整個世界的環境是比較困難啦我們在財政上比較困難我也不急於意思說 |
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我們今天來討論這個問題但是我們機場的改建機場的改建跟馬祖大橋我想是馬祖最重要的基礎建設而且影響深遠另外何局長下去再請你上來一下可以再上來沒問題北竿機場空難兩次 |
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我弟弟全家無口利難我到現在還是非常的悲痛常常想念到我弟弟馬祖連一個標準的山西機場都沒有這還得了啊這個機場馬祖不是只是我們馬祖陪肝的攔肝的是我們全體國人的而且馬祖的情幣我們的巨肉寶蟲我們的藍眼淚已經是世界的景觀了 |
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是不是各國的人,外國人也都來馬祖萊所以這個機場的興建勢在必行當然我也很感謝行政院已經合訂了第一期是兩百二十幾億還有第二期的航廈工程等等 |
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我也希望他的開工能夠順利當然這裡面分兩階段今天港務公司沒有來我想何局長我們馬祖民眾還有一些聲音也是配套配套最大的聲音當然是來自航空站還有利隆航空他們怕為什麼錢多勢少離家近他們怕說這個機場一旦施工那麼這些人要移到南竿去 |
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何記長你回答我一下,這些人應該都不會動吧 |
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跟委員報告因為剛剛有提到分兩階段所以現在在做第一階段的細設那這個部分是港公司在做那在這個過程中我們也會看工程細設的狀況然後相關航空站其實在施工期間細設是不會動因為基本上都還要維持一年那施工期間的話那他可能會有做局部的調整那航空站還是要有人在那邊運作 |
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消防人員都也在嘛基本上還是要配置那因為施工期間有施工車輛等等的相關人員也要飲食等等所以這部分航空站的人員跟相關利用或者是相關的商店等等我們會來再做一些協調跟溝通說明我想希望能夠學澳門機場新建的模式修建的模式邊飛邊做當然你在 |
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危題的部分,沉箱的部分,不影響飛機安全的情況之下,你怎麼樣去把它區隔出來這個我想在十四、十五我們到馬祖去交通委員會考察的時候,我也希望召委能夠親自出席 |
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那麼在考察的時候,順便跟我們鄉親提出來,如果夜間施工或是那邊施工的品質影響到我們地區居民的生活品質,或是有一些噪音等等影響到的,還有觀光。 |
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因為機場在興建,公安課勢必會減少班次也減少起碼馬祖北竿地區的民眾飛來台北一般沒有問題至少我希望兩班、三班也可以對觀光的影響 |
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那麼民航局可能也要做一些對噪音、空氣品質、還有觀光人數減少這些做一些配套我想在15號,我想到北竿去做一個說明會當然部長你先承諾我,你晚上不要離開你第二天早上才能走好不好?好早上你的幕僚人員跟我講說,部長下午有重要的會議 |
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我說當天最重要的就是馬祖的交通考察所以你如果晚上下午就走的話這我覺得不好啦好不好你先承諾我我先來排行程第二天早上好不好我們準價報告稍微我們準價讓你因為交通部很忙我知道啦好不好好那麼何局長這邊請你做一些準備除了這個改建的期程 |
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約略的,你跟港務公司講一下 |
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那麼跑道的鋪面會影響 那沒辦法鋪面的時間要多長 我想第三行下你應該有經驗了嘛 對不對我覺得你初估應該可以估得出來啦 好不好我想跟民眾既然辦了說明會了嘛我們跟民眾啊 能夠解決他一些疑慮免得每天在那邊機場的事情這個機場的信念勢在必行 |
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這飛安很重要馬祖到目前為止你看連山西的機場而不可得還在半導航的狀況會影響到我們飛安的安全所以這個北竿機場的信念非常重要那麼何機長我想你請回好不好另外現在科技非常發達了我在前兩個禮拜出國那麼經過我們中正機場 |
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裡面人流非常多,慢慢的已經恢復了空氣品質的改善尤其重要我到一個廁所,機場公司董事長跟我講,那個廁所本來有惡臭啊後來他稍微做一些科技的處理,能夠把空氣品質提升既然我們這個第三航廈是目前 |
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比較後面,我們新的一個機場,對裡面空氣品質的改善,有一些能夠利用科技的部分我提醒注意一下好不好好剛才傅坤祺總召提到台鐵高鐵票價雙漲高鐵沒有漲高鐵沒有 |
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那現在你什麼時候不漲?現在這個時候漲,又碰到關稅的問題,外面的環境蠻不好的很多店有的打烊了30年沒有漲了,真的是很久我知道一定要漲的,這個不漲是講不過去的啦所以我想說有沒有機會動場,跟電費一樣 |
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報告委員這個部分如果是就花東的部分我們會有優惠的方案讓花東的居民可以用比較便宜比較不受這個漲價影響的一個方案出來 |
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不會有影響嗎?你們配到6月份也會出來吧?6月份會出來,那影響會盡量降低,不會說完全沒影響因為這個也是全國一致性的問題所以台鐵的票價已經30年沒有漲了,大家應該都能理解台鐵要漲沒有錯,你稍微服務的品質能夠跟高鐵一樣高鐵服務,我昨天去高雄回來,高鐵服務品質非常好 |
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我們鄭董在長榮總市長他這個CEO這個經營非常的不錯啦當然我原來也聽說高董要去什麼台鐵什麼的台鐵真的要向高鐵學習怎麼樣轉型台鐵如果可以跟高鐵一樣那就太好了這很重要另外就是這個我們機場興建我又想到一些問題也就是公共工程你看我們的大邱橋 |
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為什麼?那個海域風浪非常大施工非常不容易我們縣長王縣長他從前縣長留下來一百多億的工程目前已經執行了五十多億了執行一半了他希望這一百多億的工程能夠在他任內完成如期如質的完成 |
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那目前大邱橋也陷入這個問題當然明後年應該會完成還有塘後橋塘後大橋我上次去年去交通委員會考察的時候他答應我今年三月份會完工但是目前已經跳票了我為什麼講這個呢缺工缺料缺工缺料還有我們那個秦碧的停車場到目前為止還沒有消息 |
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我去考察三次,已經連續三四年了,希望趕快把它弄出來,好嗎?還有橋子的遊客,橋子的遊客中心,橋子到大丘頭端那邊有遊客中心,這個橋弄好以後,我想觀光客滿多的,遊客中心很重要 |
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918.097 |
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所以遊客中心到目前為止工程還停滯所以就是說缺工缺料交通部在這部分能夠協助我也當然執行過行政院公共工程委員會請他們多協助所以部長你答應我可不可以,有沒有問題? |
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919.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
942.029 |
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盡量會協助,我們也希望能夠加速請密的停車場拜託好不好,交代公安署動作快一點還有彈後橋,大橋橋當然是營建署的我想其他的就等交通委員會考察的時候請部長也多做一些功課,對馬祖的問題尤其馬祖大橋,我昨天也打電話給部長現在因為錢的問題,其實也不多 |
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947.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
969.701 |
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部長是不是能夠請世襲公司能夠做一些再精算一次好不好再精算一次,因為我問過陳商啊標金門大學的王董,我先邀標嘛不一定是他,起碼三百億他可以做,他還有錢賺那天卓院長答覆我要三百八十幾億 |
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971.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
983.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
有沒有算錯了我不知道當然我們都不是專家這個我去瞭解一下我去問一些比較專業的下一次我在質詢的時候我想請部長也回答我一些問題謝謝部長你辛苦了謝謝 |