| IVOD_ID |
160830 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160830 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-30T12:51:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-30T13:00:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b6da7da99b942369b06596fb373943b8385a4fd0f0fffa493679622006e3328b06b889c0fce998ee5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:51:53 - 13:00:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部民用航空局局長何淑萍、交通部鐵道局局長楊正君、國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司代理董事長伍勝園、台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司董事長鄭光遠、中華航空股份有限公司董事長高星潢及國家運輸安全調查委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「近期我國航空、鐵路運營安全事件之檢討與改善及臺鐵票價調整方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請民政局的何局長跟華航的高董事長好 民航局何局長還有我們華航高董事長那個4月13號啊有一部這個CI753的這個飛機啊好 |
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從桃園要飛到新加坡結果在越南的外海又撤了發動機就是引擎故障結果非常奇怪的他沒有在附近的備用機場停然後再一個半小時就可以到新加坡了結果他竟然要往回走飛到小港去了這網路上已經炸開了很多人都在質疑說 |
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那時候華航是什麼只顧著這個成本不過人民的這個死活跟生命安全嗎飛機上有181名的乘客還有所有機組員的生命安全我今天就問得很具體喔 局長我底下先問等一下董事長可以回答當天有沒有比較近的機場是可以降轉的有沒有 |
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跟委員報告 當天因為他飛的確實是在胡志明的接近的外海的部分那當然他有幾個機場可以選擇 因為他填的備用機場目的地是新加坡嘛 那有一個馬尼拉的備降機場然後再來是胡志明香港 那他台北這邊是高雄 台北 沒有高雄 |
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飛行是很精密的嘛備用機場一定是先選好的嘛那為了安全我相信說局長你的家人在飛機上部長現在在在場你的家人在機場一定是用最快的時間嘛安全第一嘛對不對那你是找一個最近的備用機場啊福建的兩個都是半個小時啊越南的縣港機場胡志明機場啊那為什麼沒有選擇這兩個甚至連這個 |
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那你就飛一個半小時到也OK你往回跑耶 跑三個小時 將近三個小時耶好 跟委員報告對於這個因為他要選擇在哪裡備降當然他有一些因素考量那天候也是其中一個那根據我們初步訪談華航的駕駛員的說明跟公司的說明就是他這幾個機場裡面 縣港也是其中一個那這個 這些機場他有提到有一些氣象的問題天氣的問題 |
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那這個天氣 你說的兩個最近的半個小時的這個氣候的這個問題來 我給你看三個 三十分鐘可以到一個叫縣港 一個叫福治明市最重要有沒有 氣候上有沒有什麼問題降雨 中間這條線那天這兩個當地的氣候一滴雨都沒有 |
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上面溫度也沒有問題下面是風速風速非常適合飛機降落妳有調這個資料嗎我們現在正在調我們所有跟氣象TUF跟META的資料所以本來應該比較近沒有問題要降落嘛等一下你們現在推說妳現在是騙人還是沒有去查我們現在正在調查華航的說法是華航那我們也會根據我們航船的這就是當天的這就是當天縣港跟胡志明市因為我們要對不對這夠清楚了嗎 |
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所以我希望民航局還有華航不要欺騙我們民眾要面對問題這個部分我們在調查委員所提的資料也會來跟我們我們航管這邊機場的資料我們繼續來問這個攸關人命的事情而且絕對以後不能再換這個事情當天是誰下的這個決定是機師下的決定還是華航 |
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我們的初步訪談是還是我們初步訪談我想我們在那個 |
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發生事情的當下他用衛星電話打回到聯管中心那聯管中心所有的單位會把他們目前所有的資訊通通都會告知那個機長最後有機長 催哨者催哨者來檢舉的是說當天是當天不是機師是想要降落的吧他為了安全一定是這樣做嘛我都要告訴你們家人自己在上面你一定是要最近的嘛他自己在飛機上這個機長又有那麼重的責任181條人命所有機組員在上面 |
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他當然希望降落最近的啊所以這個不是機長 不是機師的這個決定嘛這是華航 華航或CC做的決定是不是不是那向哲瑋機長 這一定是機長做的決定因為我們的規定 大家從當機長的第一天開始他就知道所有的決定這個很不符合人性齁 機長那時候做這個決定這個生命安全 沒關係我跟你講這個是可以查證的 來來來那個機長 部長也在現場齁我要問 |
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那時候你們有沒有指示這個基礎委員要折返台灣你們那個那時候的那個通訊這個有辦法查驗嗎跟委員報告一定有通訊嘛對不對這個部分其實是他們有一些討論有些討論對有些討論就是 |
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給建 應該是這樣講機長依據第三條他可以做所有的處理嘛那過程中是有一些討論 航管單位有給建議聯管單位 我們相關資料都會調查我們調查完會來公開到底是機長做的 |
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是機師本身做的這個決定還是OCC做的這個決定 聯管中心的這個要對全民的要有個交代 好不好另外一個很嚴重的其實啦 飛安是非常嚴肅的而且規定非常嚴格的你美國的FAA美國聯邦航空條例裡面 讓我們看一下如果雙引擎的這個飛機發生有一個引擎壞掉了它是明定 你要選擇最近的嘛 |
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所以你就違反這個規定啊下面這個更明確了你不能夠憑這些因素就沒有在最近的機場降落 三大理由這次華航全部都違背了三個都違背了 第一個你們現在的講法是說 我的燃油的油量是夠的啊 |
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他說你要從最近的先降落他不能夠因為說你的燃油的量是過的你就要往更遠的地方更遠的地方飛第二個除了乘客安全以外的所有的安排就是乘客安全是最優先啦因為最急迫嘛對不對第三個你不能夠為了修復或者是修復你現在可能說回到台灣可能修復成本比較比較低欸修復成本華航的成本比那個人命還還重要嗎哪一個排在前面 |
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所以就違反了這三個規定所以今天我們做第一個請一個禮拜大概調查要多久會出來 |
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剛剛有提到就是我們會因為整個完整的報告因為它還有發動機的故障問題所以航務的部分我們會有一個初步報告我們一個月會提出來一個月喔能不能再快一點點這兩個很重要第一個當然是要追查清楚真相第二更重要這種事情絕對不能再發生嘛甚至你以後就是一定要貫徹要貫徹跟美國這個FAA這個標準要是一致的好不好能不能再快一點點你什麼時候再給我 |
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給所有的交通委員會給我們一個月因為剛剛有講到的很多資料我們都要去處理我們也不是只看華航的資料那所以說是不是給我們一個月初步一個月內要公開透明然後絕對不要犯同樣的錯誤好不好謝謝 |