| IVOD_ID |
160808 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160808 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-30T12:06:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-30T12:18:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b6da7da99b9423691582264c9260ff538b6df88a6e7dffca98ab4b80bc74e67dcd63afc3e7d0c2bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:06:37 - 12:18:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、經濟部及內政部就「五一勞動節前夕，我國勞工職場預防職業災害及場(廠)墜落事故之檢討與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月30日及5月1日二天一次會】） |
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謝主席有請部長有請部長部長好我要請教你一下我們勞動部的霸凌案是不是我們前部長抱歉下台才逮捕你當勞動部長對嗎 |
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呃 我的 我到老公公 到老公公是不是這樣子的行政院邀請我到老公公做部長的關鍵所以我們王一川立委才有這個機會就遞補立委這樣是不是事實是嗎 |
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這個是事實嘛所以我們為勞工的權利當一個媽媽孩子往生了的痛你能感受得到嗎但是呢到現在他又收到一個冷冰冰的不起訴書這樣子的痛我們當媽媽的人 |
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有這種痛求助無門你有感受得到嗎還有現在我們待會我跟妳說明我現在是說時間的關係然後後面等下再讓你去回答但是不起訴這是司法是減掉的部分所以我們就是說你的態度是如何我的態度人大認為這是霸凌啊人大認為這是霸凌啊 |
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我現在在問你的我國公安意外的現在就是平船但是呢今年上半年還未完成已經發生多起的像台中的火力發電廠施工 |
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工人高度的衰落 還有雲林管縣修查人員兩個人也是中毒不治台大醫院外牆的鷹架也倒塌等等根據勞動部統計在2024年因為重大職災死亡人數 |
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287人也是因為平均1.25天就有一個勞工死亡這都是人命不是數據其中重大的職災 |
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列有就是只在列中有就是一直高風險的營造業居高不下的就是7年大家都要問你的我們勞動部職安署的設定希望墜落死亡人數低於68人以下但是光半年 |
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上半年的墜落死亡就高達了40人當時的判斷數據就是難以如願降低那請教部長勞動部在七年的下半年當初有做出內部檢討或者階段性的改善還有精進的作為下半年的檢討後的成效又如何都是人命當然對 |
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跟委員說明我們當然做出檢討我們也做出會精進改善的作為這裡面包括修法的計畫也包括跨部會的合作那也包括我們會把一些高風險的這些廠廠然後列為重點會去勞檢跟稽查的對象我們其實有列了一系列相關的改進的作為就是不希望再發生這個類似的這些重大治安事件 |
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是啊但是我們沒有看到成效如何我不是說勇敢我們有做就是要檢討但是到我們去年就是有總共就有83案就是營造業的墜落死亡每一個數據代表的是一個家庭一個家庭的生命背後更有一個就是 |
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一個人 則有一家人所以這個是我們整個家庭的痛就是顯然我們勞動部的設定就是營造業的最落把擊年 但是呢我們的政策 |
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都是口號 我們沒有看到的效果所以我們希望針對這個部長是不是有具體不是只是疫情降低的數據而已實施的跨部會的效果在哪裡因為我們是看到的就是相比說英國 新加坡 日本營造業 |
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墜落死亡为40%南韩约57%但是我们国家高达60到70%大部分的建筑工程劳工 电梯警或者是施工的价等等 |
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所以造成的所以我们要如何预防这些要怎么样说落差那么大我们是不是有去拿别人的我们来检讨我们怎么去落实怎么去发布会我们要的是实际有帮助 |
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不是是檢討在檢討這個是被公安慰的話我們人民勞工不想要停要的是實際有效的我跟委員說明該檢討部分我們當然正在檢討但是我也不同意要說都是口號並不是其實是這個逐年是有一些改善可是改善的幅度可能不符合大家原本的期待 |
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可是也並不是什麼都沒有做所以你們做了你們覺得的效果在哪裡嗎有做的效果在哪裡我覺得我們有加強的空間我們有加強的空間所以我們也是覺得有加強的空間在制度面法制面所以我們才提出修法的草案跟計畫這也是一個具體的我們希望能夠改善的行動 |
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我們看到的是說我們現行的建築法還有職業安全衛生法都有有停工的規定但是呢我們看到裡面沒有就是說定期還有通常改善後的復工查 |
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就是我們大包小包中包都無法去落實所以說我們希望說參考有沒有研議重大的違規或者重大公安意外有沒有增加一個期限不是說他們送計畫過來報告檢討你們就會給他們復工 |
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根本說明我們現在也在檢討停復工的一些條件包括如果要復工的話重大的這個職安或者公安事件發生的話我們會要求要系統性的風險都改善才會復工 |
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他可能不是一個固定的期限說兩個禮拜還是一個月可能不是這樣而是他要把這些系統性的風險都做出具體的改善作為才能夠復工他可能時間是比一個月更長的所以說你們沒有要求說重大的就會說時間或者說他們提出來也要提出來嘛 |
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遠東新司機的這個化纖廠的事件裡面停工了以後我們現在要求他要系統性的改善他的風險他的停工時間現在已經兩個多月了所以並不是我只是畫一條線說你是要兩個禮拜還是一個月 |
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就可以讓他復工並不是這樣子的是看他的系統性的風險能不能夠真的被克服跟管理我們希望能夠把復工的條件能夠更加強落實到這邊很好我們要的就是實際的作業或者是有效的你要來報告不是我們不希望說只要是檢討我們在檢討或者是寫計畫這是我們現在正在做的 |
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有效的對大家有幫助的還有剛才有很多人問我也是很關心這一塊目前我們多少移工來做營造業還有我們在那麼危險的工作我們本級的訓練就不足了但是我們移工的訓練又如何 |
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這個危險還有說用什麼方式還有用什麼語言效果如何有嗎這個是不是可以具體給我我們確實現在是希望移工都進場的移工都能有職安卡那職安卡目前其實有設定多國語言但委員說的沒有錯移工相關的安全訓練他會涉及到他會多了一個語言的挑戰這部分我認為我們是要跟 |
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大的落實讓這個不同語言都能夠讓移工可以得到相關的安全安全相關的訊息的部分我們需要做的更透徹但是現在有嗎我們已經開放這樣子的營造業有移工這個安全的措施這個方法有嗎還是完全沒有還是怎麼樣 |
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我們可以把相關的資料再提供給你們相關的提供給我就是關於這樣子的訓練過程還有說我們希望我們的勞動部跟其他部會真的是應該就是說正式制度面還有就是執行面雙重的施淩這個狀況我們要用政策不能只是口號啦設定的就是數據 |
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幫助目標就為了這件事情還要檢討報告這不是意外發生後就是紙上談兵 紙上的作業但我們勞工的命不是一個數字或者在紙上寫而已我們希望的就是勞動部真的動起來跟各個部會因為不管是我們本級的勞工或者外級勞工 |
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每一個勞工都是媽媽心目中的寶貝這個生命是很可貴的所以希望你要重視這件事情不要去招搖這樣更對不起勞工我們沒有招搖那我們也是用這個非常審慎的心態在看待這件事情的但我覺得不要隨便說我們招搖好 謝謝部長 |
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部長不會招搖也不會招搖 |