| IVOD_ID |
160732 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160732 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-29T14:31:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-29T14:47:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e3950a5df8d034bd8e502b7310f85d5066821ab1e45083e07d926e96d12bddf9b03abd11ba7a7725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:31:20 - 14:47:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝院長我們請卓榮泰卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢學員好院長好我想要請教院長因為針對美國川普的這個關稅戰 |
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所以我們提出了4100億的這樣的一個特別條例不過我想針對這個部分其實世界各國不管是日本各國其實都把這樣的一個關稅戰視為國難而且都用很高度的危機意識去做這樣的因應所以也希望我們的賴政府能夠把這個關稅戰放在第一位因為這是我們所有的民眾都非常關注而且非常擔憂的 |
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也希望不要再把那些大罷免、大搜索、大收押都一直在阻撓大家因為其實我想關稅占比大罷免來說重要得多那其實根據中央銀行的這個114年的3月底就我國的外匯存體達到5780億美元 |
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那楊總裁日前在立法院備詢的時候有提到說我們的外匯存底有5780億有八成是用來購買美債那因為央行每年其實提供不少盈餘繳庫所以院長可以看一下這個表格那我們是不是請楊總裁好嗎 |
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我們央行一年繳庫大概是兩千億元左右那央行在一百一十二年度的利息收入有四千三百五十六億元其中很高的比例是來自於美債的一個利息那因為外傳美國可能會提出海湖莊園協議要求盟友將手上的美債能夠轉換成 |
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長期債長年的甚至高達100年的這樣的一個臨時的債券而且不可轉讓以減輕美國36.7兆美元的債務這是根據4月27號的這個美國國債中的一個宣布目前美債已經它的來到了36.7兆美元那這個舉動形同就是美債倒債 |
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將會讓我們央行的利息的收入會大幅的減少也會影響央行每年繳庫的金額也會嚴重的衝擊政府財政的收入所以如果美債會轉為臨時債券的話也將會引發全球的一個金融危機那所以央行預計今年要繳交的兩千億的這個國庫股息的這個紅利如果未來真的美債轉為臨時債券的話我國要怎麼樣因應請教楊總裁是 |
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剛剛委員是說如果他這樣子做的話這是一個假設的問題我們一定要先想在前面不可以等到發生的時候才來做因應不過我想就是說因為我們每年都會跟美國的財政部我們都會跟他溝通我們溝通的我們據我們了解 |
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美國財政部呢沒有這樣的一個議題所以不會未來有這種臨時再見也不會長年期的我們現在所據我們了解是他沒有這個議題 |
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他沒有這樣 那如果剛剛有請教 請教楊總裁假設發生了這樣的事情的話財務的缺口要如何彌補我們總是要想在前面我們總不能等發生了就像在川普宣布32%的關稅之前沒有人想到會宣布32%的關稅院長還認為只有10%我想是這樣子就是說目前目前這個關稅的議題就把它搞得 |
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他的金融市場不只是他的金融市場全球的金融市場就秩序大亂那所以呢也就是說那如果說如果又是如果啦如果說他這個出來的話呢那我在想他一定會我相信他會再評估一下他的成本跟效益的分析啦 |
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我覺得你應該這次要去美國談判才對因為其實你都可以想到川普應該怎樣川普可能怎樣我剛剛也是跟委員在報告我就說我們跟美國財政部的溝通是很順暢的那據我們了解現在是沒有這個問題總裁請問一下如果你們模擬就是我們美債的利息0到4%對國庫收益的衝擊 |
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0到4%也就是說現在大概是3%、4%嘛那未來也有可能0%你有沒有引領過相關的存錢我跟委員報告啦我們的外匯存底呢如果我們握有的這個債券到期的時候呢我們會有兩個想法第一個想法呢我們就是說是繼續另外一個想法呢就是說我們會轉轉到其他的去 |
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我們現在有80%的美債那你有沒有想過未來你剛講的兩種想法另外一個要轉到哪裡去我想就很多的必備就不是只有美債當然所以目前你會想什麼歐債還是日幣還是歐元我們到時候我們會做決定 |
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對 那所以現在我們八成的美債喔可以說比例非常的高那當然我覺得我們應該一個避險的方式就是應該有多元的一個投資計畫我們本來就有多元的投資計畫是 那所以說針對這個部分是不是已經啟動了 |
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我剛剛已經講了嘛我們一開我們就到齊的時候我們都會做決定所以總裁都已經準備好了就對了那當然當然就是說我們現在國債出來將來降到0%或者是說1% 2% 3% 4%你們都已經有衝擊的一個這樣的一個評估了嗎我想我們都會有因應的一個計畫希望針對這個部分因為其實這是攸關我們國家非常重要的一個稅收嘛因為兩千億的這個這樣子的一個 |
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一個腳褲的一個紅利我覺得這個對我們的整個的財政的編輯會非常的重要所以只能麻煩我們總裁要好好的來去針對這個部分來應對那另外就是美國財政部也在最近發布一個匯率的報告根據其判定的匯率操縱國的三大標準那請兩位可以看一下就是我國對美的貿易順差高達739億美元所以已經來到了 |
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這個第一個它的標準匯率操縱國第二個就是我們經常這樣的順差佔GDP的比重達14.3%所以已經這個列入第二項的這樣子的一個匯率操縱國的一個標準所以我們已經有兩項可能極有可能被辦入匯率操縱國或觀察名單 |
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那這個標籤對於台美經貿造成重大的不利的影響也會加劇川普32%高關稅的壓力所以請問院長行政院是不是已經掌握了美國的貿易報告草案的相關資訊這個匯率報告是不是針對這個吧我也跟那個委員報告所以院長您有掌握了嗎 |
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院長有掌握了嗎總裁經常會固定時間跟我們報告國際的情勢跟國內的匯率狀況對那針對這個部分這個美國的匯率報告的草案相關資訊這個平常都是中央銀行在跟美國財政部來談的對所以我說你跟院長報告的時候我現在是請教院長院長知不知道最新的狀況先請這個總裁來說是我到目前為止呢我們台灣呢就只有第一項跟第二項 |
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第三項沒有所以我剛才講的就是這樣嘛就是兩項第三項當然是沒有我剛才講的就是兩項我的意思是說你們是不是有已經做好了相關的因應然後已經展開跟美方溝通跟說明的作業有有有好那怎麼怎麼因應呢 |
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就是沒有嘛 就是沒有三項嘛兩項啊 我一開始就說我們就是違反兩項嘛所以但是三項違反兩項就已經很嚴重了耶就在你在談判的過程中他們其實就是會針對這個高關稅的壓力給我們這樣子的一個很重要的一個指標了嘛我跟委員報告 |
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就是說高關稅的談判跟匯率的談判呢他是分開的他現在美國希望我們要匯率要升台幣要升值嘛沒有沒有沒有這回事沒有這回事所以總裁您保證 |
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他們不會希望台幣要升值沒有這回事包括現在我們所知道的他跟日本的談判他也沒有說他要所以總裁你可以保證如果如果如果說他們有希望我們台幣要升值的話那你是不是有明確的一個匯率的穩定策略 |
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這個跟委員報告在跟美方的談判一個很重要的關鍵就是降低互相貿易的逆差就是你說的第一項這一項我們也在極力的用採購用投資用其他的方式也包括排除一些貿易非關稅的貿易障礙 |
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如果我們能夠把關稅貿易的逆差能夠降低的話我們相信各種壓力是減少的同時總裁已經講到了未來匯率可能會有一些波動但現在沒有發生任何的狀況也就是說美方沒有要求台幣要升值沒有 |
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如果假設有一天他們要求台幣升值的話你們也已經有了穩定的這個匯率的一個策略嗎我想新台幣的匯率一直以來都是非常穩定的在所有的主要的幣別裡面新台幣的匯率都很穩定 |
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那針對這個部分也希望總裁這邊能夠好好的來去因應未來可能發生的一個匯率戰的狀況那另外就是針對我們4100億的特別預算當中目前看起來只有930億會用於產業支持跟內需擴張是不是夠注意因應產業的這個需求幫助他們渡過難關 |
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930億當然是對直接產業支持剛剛委員也提到其他國家也有相關的對產業支持因應這次美國關稅我們兩個部分第一個我們這個特別條例不單只針對美國關稅而是因應整個國際情勢再來其他國家也對能源做了相當的補修補貼的狀況包括日本他對汽油就補貼了每公升10塊錢的日元所以我們也對能源做補貼 |
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其他他們對電對石油也做了補貼我相信我們這一千億的對台電的挹注也是對產業直接的幫忙其實我們這次叫特別條例所以主要是針對美國這個關稅的部分所以我們現在看到是930億那您講的4100億的特別預算全數用在 |
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稅計剩餘不舉債您有提到嗎是的那請您看一下我們在114年度的預算書所示我國的112年度的稅計剩餘的淨餘數只有158億3900萬元 |
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113年度中央可以分配的金額就是有關我們超徵的這5283億中央可以分配的是3549億所以兩者相加是3707億元離4100億還差了將近400億元請問院長這個差額要如何不舉債 |
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詳細的計算方式其實今年我們扣掉地方的我們的稅計剩餘中央只有37533753我們還要還債還要做其他的我們還有1641我們是累計以前各年度以及今年我們還有其他的請主席講說明我們合計才是夠的 |
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委員我跟您報告一下因為我們113年本來要動資那個累積剩餘那個部分有846然後我們還有追加預算1000億的一個那個台電的部分還有當年度114年500億的一個剩餘然後這個本是還要加上我們113年所以這個4100億就是確定可以不舉債是嗎是 |
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那我想再請教一下院長就是依照預算法啦就是我們的這個這次的特別預算只能有國家經濟重大變故就是符合這項規定的就表格上的第三項那其餘六項的預算其實都可以在年度的預算之邊列之印那我手上這本是我們114年度的總預算籌編的一個原則 |
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那在去年的4月29號我們就已經把114年度的籌編預算的原則已經訂定出來那今年度為什麼到現在還沒有115年度的籌編預算的原則我們目前正在加緊腳步在做什麼時候會出來因為去年的此時已經有啦那現在在籌編115年度的預算應該是要有一個籌編的原則不是嗎是是是已經在加緊腳步在做了 |
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因為其實我們看到的這幾項很多其實都可以放在115年度的預算編列其實不用再特別預算所以如果特別預算這樣一直被服編亂編的話其實是要規避我們的監督還是說要把它流用到其他的項目所以我覺得這個部分行政院這樣子開後門這個案例成章的做法我覺得非常的不適合 |
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既然覺得有需要的比如說像不管撥補健保高教人才的培訓社會關懷撥補勞保你就可以編載115年度的預算就可以而真正我們看到因應高關稅的就是產業支持跟擴大內需的930億我們還是希望特別預算不要用這樣的一個方式關稅之後關稅調整之後我們不希望增加民眾的負擔因為時間有限我最後還有一個問題想請教一下院長你有沒有在對統一發票 |
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我們可以看一下因為我們現在財政部有一個這樣子的圖在他的財政部的官網上面說我們因為3.18.5億所以剝奪了民眾的一個小確幸影響了民眾對獎的便利可是實際上在我們的相關規定裡面 |
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加值型及非加值型營業稅法第50%條規定法定的支出可以排除統刪所以根本不會影響到獎金根本不會影響到獎金所以請內政部不要再用這種方式造謠 |
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939.44 |
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谢谢徐毅臻委员的质询谢谢卓院长各部会所长的备询谢谢报言会我们财政组织质询已经询答完毕我们现在休息 |