| IVOD_ID |
160730 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160730 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-29T11:51:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-29T12:06:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e3950a5df8d034bfb47ab9087129056066821ab1e45083ee039137e7ac10c367082a9d1d9fc83395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:23 - 12:06:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢沈委員好院長午安這個我看今天早上的很多委員的質詢大家都關心這個我們行政院會上禮拜所通過的這個有關因應國際局勢強化經濟社會國土安全韌性的這個特別條例 |
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還有昨天我們院長拜會各個黨團來說明剛才的質詢當中也有很多國民黨的委員提到普發因為我們的科稅收入優於我們的預期所以要求普發現金一萬元 |
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那這個全民普發一萬元那這個我想剛剛大概院長都回答過一些問題那我想就問一個最簡單的問題我們現在目前我們這個強化任性的特別條例跟特別預算編列了4100億 |
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這4100億因應這個目前國際關稅局勢的這些相關的因應措施以及這個強化國土安全韌性這樣子的4100億的預算他跟這個普發一萬塊的現金他可以兼顧嗎他可以兩邊都做嗎這是我這邊我是編4100億同時我又全民普發一萬塊的現金 |
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我們衡量國家目前的財政狀況以及實際上的需要我們希望現在這個階段面對國際貿易秩序的重整我們積沙成塔積少成多用國家的力量就放在這4100億的因應國際情勢強化韌性那應該 |
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普發現金不是現在最好的一個方式我們沒有考慮兩邊動作簡單講就是沒有辦法你沒有辦法又發一萬塊然後又編列這個因應關稅的強化韌性的計算所以應該要集中力量去面對產業的需求就是要取捨啦簡單講就是要取捨你要嘛你發了一萬塊現金你就沒有錢來做這些相關的強化韌性的措施那效益可能會更小 |
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那你做了這個強化措施你就沒有那個錢來發這個一萬塊的現金你這是需要取捨的這就跟一個家庭一樣嘛我好像今年景氣比較好賺的錢比我預期的還要多那我們全家人大家把它分掉一人分多少分掉 |
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這是一種方式嘛這是你一種持家的方式另外一種持家的方式是說我看今年可能有一些狀況景氣不太好我們是不是先拿一些錢去還貸款然後拿一些錢我們來做避險來做我們這個風險的 |
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所以在這個取捨裡面到底是要取捨哪一樣這個我想這個是當然一個是政府的政策第二就是你個人我想這是一個選擇那這個選擇我看剛才國民黨委員他們也非常大家講完發一萬塊之後然後馬上就問說我各個產業各行各業台灣受到川普這個關稅的衝擊他有衝擊有多大我們政府有沒有因應 |
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你又要發現金你又要政府來做這個這個是顯然是做不到所以我覺得這個部分更何況國民黨還提出這個特別條例要求這個普發現金要常態化以後只要稅收又逾期就要普發現金這個我個人認為說是值得國人深思的這也非常的不一樣因為這樣會把整個國家財政固定化僵化以後 |
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未來他的變動靈活性會變得很小這部分大家現在拿到一人賺一萬大家笑嗨嗨然後接下來通貨膨脹萬一通貨膨脹然後再來萬一這個衝擊太大你造成這些企業的衝擊造成失業率連投入就沒有了所以我覺得這個是政策取捨我希望是值得國人深思這是第一個問題 |
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第二問題接下來這個部分如果院長有一些是政策的部分請院長可以參佐那如果有一些部分我們這個金管會如果可以了解的話也請這個金管會旁主委能夠作為補充 |
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在這個全球化這個浪潮當然外資的投資可以當作是一個國家經濟的自由化跟競爭力的一種重要指標但是外資增加雖然可以增加我們國家的經濟發展但是也有可能造成國內產業的一些負面的負擔 |
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尤其是近年來世界各國都紛紛近年來中國大陸的這些企業經常透過敵意併購的方式 |
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來這個併吞各國的企業造成很多亂象那也引起很多國家的忌憚這是全世界的狀況都引起很多國家的狀況那這些國家他們很多都啟動這種國家安全的審查機制來針對中國的資金那這種國家安全的審查程序在作為這個外資要進入這個國家的一個安全法這個是目前全世界很多狀況的情況 |
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那台灣這幾年來尤其最近這個也發生很多甚至直接在股票市場在這個金融市場就直接有這個假外資真入資的方式甚至有可能要進行這個敵意賓購的 |
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的這個情勢違法登台的這種情勢那我想這個部分因為涉及要如何兼顧投資的自由化那又同時要保障國家安全的制度這部分在制度面上面我想希望跟院長跟主委這邊來做一些討論 |
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那我目前這個我知道我們現在目前這個國家的這個我們包括橋外資包括陸資這些來台灣投資在法令限制上面我們大概區分兩種我們有把它區分開來一種是一般性的投資一種是這個專門性的投資嘛對不對這兩種不一樣的法令規範那這兩種不一樣的法令限制裡面有關於一般性的投資的部分我們採雙軌制我們台灣目前是雙軌制的橋外資一軌 |
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入資一軌啦分開兩個規範的情況不一樣那這個全世界沒有這個全世界大概只有台灣有全世界都是全世界大概就把所有非國內的資金都一律用國家安全審查機制來審查那我們是沒有我們分開橋外資分開入資特別這是我們目前的這個雙回資的一個狀況那當然 |
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我也肯定就過去這段時間,事實上我們透過經濟部的投審會我們經管會事實上都有在把關有關於這些外資,蕎外資它背後是不是假中資的這些問題我們都有在把關,但是很多情況,因為我們現在的制度的設計我們現在這樣子的防堵的漏洞 |
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我們現在的法治規範是不是真的能夠防止漏洞是不是真的能夠防範紅色資本的入侵這部分有的曠日廢時有的等你做完了公司都已經被掏空了人家已經做完一陣子已經跑了 |
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那時候才做出來這個是目前法制上面所以這部分是不是請彭主委你這邊說明一下目前我們這邊的這些相關的機制是 謝謝委員剛剛提到確實我們陳柱委員講我們對外資投入台灣的上市櫃公司 |
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那本來就有分兩個軌我們對中資或入資的部分有做更加強的管控比如說我們第一個前進來當然比如說是經濟部那邊委託省會有那我們對所謂保管銀行的部分我們要嚴格要求要做好KYC對這個是金融的部分這彭卓是這樣子啦我現在要談的重點是說我們現行的制度我們現在的審查機制你覺得足夠了嗎我們現在這樣審查機制 |
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這個我們足以我們授權我們這個行政機關做國家安全的相關的審查嗎當然我想說站在金管會他本質上是在因為他是上市會公司交易這資本市場交易的主管機關這部分我們必須要配合其他更專業的單位來做這件事情好 院長這個事實上監察院在111年2月9號調查報告就直接說我們現在這個機制是完全不足的 |
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我們現在目前的這些審查其實是不夠的應該要做制度上面的一些設定我們現在現行制度對我們大量持股的部分我們申報規範我們把非公開發行的跟公開發行的我們把它分開公司把它分開有關於公開發行的部分我們有一些事前的申報義務定期的申報義務這些內部的部分外部人的部分也有外部人要被動受理申報的機制 |
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這些機制我個人認為都不足我來參考外國的制度我們來看看外國我講我們現在雙軌制事實上外國沒有雙軌制他們只有一個單一的關注就是國家安全所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例因為他們兩個是資本市場的買方這部分我們不談我們看看歐盟 |
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歐盟事實上在這個2017年5月他就通過一個股東的權力執行條例他直接讓公司隨時可以要求辨識這個股東他的最終受益人跟他的執行受益人這些他就可以辨識而且他要求他的成員國都國內法化現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了這是歐盟的做法在英國的相關的系統包括英國包括澳洲包括新加坡包括香港 |
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他們過去這樣子的英美法系的這些系統他們都是明文立法的他們明文立法就是這些公司還有這個監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人這都在英國、澳洲、新加坡這些都是這樣做那至少我們看臨近的日本跟我們最接近臨近的日本過去當然跟我們很類似但是他們事實上他們在今年日本在今年的這個 |
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日本在今年的4月23日就上個禮拜他們的法務大臣的一個諮詢單位叫做法治審議會他們裡面的公司法小組他們就已經這個會議他們就已經決定他們要開始創設實質股東確認的制度這個在日本上個禮拜也做這個確定他們開始立法要開始做了那我們台灣呢 |
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我現在講這些也是在這邊讓我們主委了解我會請院長能夠注意這些事情我們台灣要強化股東透明度的強化措施這個實在目前我們比較世界各國 |
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我們實在是不足啦目前的法制實在不足這個部分我們請金管會是不是能夠請院長折騰我們金管會這邊我們這個會同相關的主管機關包括經濟部啦投誠會這些等等相關這些我們針對這些強化股東透明度的這個法制上面來做研究好不好來做研議朝這個方向來進行可以嗎院長 |
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我覺得揭露實質或是最終受益人這是基本的條件那如果過去監察院對行政院有所的指正那我請金管會、經濟部、財政部相關單位我們參著監察院的意見我們做具體的改進好這部分再麻煩院長 |
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還有一點點時間我想院長也記得我在去年的總諮詢另外我十月的時候我也到委員會特別跟彭主委這邊來請教有關於亞洲資產管理中心的問題這些問題我現在大概做幾個追蹤跟確認第一個有關TESA的部分就是我們台灣個人的投資儲蓄專戶TESA的部分 |
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那時候彭主委有講說預計今年上半年要上路那現在上半年已經過了現在已經四月底了剩兩個月上半年可以上路嗎這裡我跟委員報告我們分兩階段一個是沒有租稅優惠讓利的那一部分確實我們已經做完你已經跟財政部舉雙手投降了 |
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6月會上線這沒問題就是我們答應的第一階段那至於說那個有關我們的租稅優惠我還持續跟莊部長這邊做做密切的協商針對各種方案來做討論但至少我們6月可以上路對第一階段已經確定可以上路再來這個這個有關我們這個 |
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有關這個亞洲資產管理中心我們地方資產管理專區的部分我們現在設在我看我們4月1號的時候這個月初我們公布了這個金融業申請進駐的示範辦法對這個地方資產管理專區的示範業務作業原則我們公布這個原則之後然後有開放這個38項的示範業務那我要問現在目前申請進駐的進度 |
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現在現在加數是多少他的資產規模是多少現在的話我們總共在那次辦辦法也開放五種業態可以參加現在的話因為他有個條件要跟高雄市政府簽MOU現在15家有私人銀行會全部參加我想這部分15家對第一階段那接下來我們還開放了證券公司投信公司投顧公司還有保險公司所以他們陸續的會跟高雄市政府簽訂合約然後就可以 |
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可以逐步的進駐我想這個尤其最重要的15家有私人銀行的銀行我想他們很快的會開始進行我們預計在7月就可以陸續的在那邊開始作業跟營運這個部分我也很期待那最後一個部分我那時候在總質詢的時候特別提到日本他們有關於日本州的這樣子的做法我們彭主委那時候也有說我們有關台灣州的我們今年10月會來舉辦我們現在 |
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有招標了嗎我們10月已經跟我們相關的主辦的單位都把細節大概都已經研擬好大概時間也確定地點也確定了時間 |
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大概十月中旬有什麼樣的核心活動那裡面內容非常多我再把那個細節再跟委員報告那這個月我時間也要到了但這部分我覺得這個亞洲市場管理中心這個是我們這個拜總統跟卓院長宣示的重大政策我覺得這個只能成功不能失敗所以這些進度相關的進度我希望能夠金管會那邊能夠確實掌握也請卓院長這邊要全力的 |
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895.33 |
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895.991 |
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監督進行該進行的協調 |