| IVOD_ID |
160725 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160725 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-29T11:03:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-29T11:18:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e3950a5df8d034b315cc8233a62e268066821ab1e45083e6de342268043fcb663cfaa1421ca07f45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:20 - 11:18:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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我想這幾天大家都非常關心的是美國的高關稅但國內的 |
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政局也非常的混亂所以我想在這邊問一下院長大罷免跟高關稅孰輕孰重跟你來說對行政院來講我們現在全心全力在處理的是對關稅的談判過程所以在這邊院長可以這樣說嗎高關稅的處理比大罷免重要一萬倍 |
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這不是倍數的問題至少對你來說是重要的我現在要說的是高關稅比大罷免重要一萬倍因為很重要所以要講三次大罷免 |
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沒那麼重要高關稅比大罷免重要一萬倍這是我的立場所以也希望院長把這件事情也是我想全國人民都是這樣看的現在行政院也是焦頭爛額因為要面對美國這樣子對全球幾乎無一幸免的狀況所以看到你昨天到黨團得來說說明所以院長這一年了快要520了你上任一年 |
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中間過程我想也是很混亂但是在野黨監督是天職我們不可能是一言堂所以溝通協調是執政者必要的做法未來的三年要所謂的正通人和還是一事無成永無寧日就在行政團隊的一念之間所以院長你昨天這樣的溝通我覺得很好 |
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但是希望能夠再多點汗水 少點口水所以院長 接下去非常多的東西都要立法院配合你這一年來你自己認為有多少民生法案是由你提出來而順利通過的我們現在正在整理520的事件你覺得你這一年的成績有哪些是你自己引以為傲可以拿出來說的如果我覺得我們可以跟國人有一些交代的話 |
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那我覺得我們從經濟發展委員會引申下來的各項重大決議報告到最後的這個六大產業生活 產業圈 治理圈這個是我們可以未來長期目前有通過立法院的法案有很多嗎我今天要說的是我們看到這一年來其實卓內閣提動的民生法案其實並不多大部分都是政治所以今天要跟院長說的我們希望 |
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民生我們提的政治法案也不多民生放一邊政治放中間這不該是行政團隊的立場也就是說你的民生法案可能要再多一點現在接下來的我們看到你的4100億喔昨天我也講了院長有個回答一個問題沒有回答我4100億是從880億變成930億中間再加了所謂您昨天所說的好國內的任性好國內的其他 |
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我昨天問你是不是為了要把稅基剩餘用完啊並不是因為這樣算起來湊一湊就剛好是我們去年的稅基剩餘然後接下來我問了院長一件事如果這些預算都給你了稅基剩餘用完了萬一七月份我們跟美國談判不如預期整個關稅還有其他的必要的可能需要紓困的地方院長你是不是要舉債 |
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三件 第一個我們本來就有一個因應經濟成長的特別條例那現在只是把產業值加進來 把那個包在一起 現在包進來嘛所以有點似不像嘛 這是第一件第二件 現在談判的過程正在準備啟動當中我們希望 推列不知道將來會談成什麼樣我們希望談到一個最好的狀況 我現在要說這4100億用完了萬一 第三個沒有談得很好 我們又要再繼續紓困我們要繼續幫忙企業我們是不是沒有剩下什麼錢 我們這個4100億是 |
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其中有少部分是一年的有大部分是三年的我們希望三年當中能夠因應如果不足的部分我們也有年度的預算給因應再不足的話所以我要跟院長說你這裡面我昨天有講了嘛第一高教人才照顧弱勢老無整健他本來就是平常該做的事而不會是預算法83條國家重大變股的狀態 |
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教育人才容我說明一下特別預算有特別預算的定義啦這個放進來實在是有點不倫不類教育部分我特別說明一點就是因為他可能牽涉到可能有影響我同意但是具體化具體化協助大家怎麼樣去因應這些我同意但是不應該把平常 |
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內閣該做的事情拿來做特別條例特別預算來填補湊除那個所謂的隨機生意把它花光光不讓在野黨提議所謂的發錢金不希望它變成是客戶去湊數好這是第一個所以我們希望今天我要跟院長談談民生法案這個法案4月2號監察院 |
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糾正了行政院糾正了應該是說不管是哪個部會啦 融資註定公司從頭到尾沒有做過相關的管理他有幾個東西 院長看過這個調查報告嗎糾正文 |
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公股銀行有六家公股銀行貸款了百億以上給這幾大家的所謂的融資注定公司就是我們所說的影子銀行也是王世堅委員說的 |
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數條三兄弟八家公股行庫四年增加了千億的融資他們的利率從1.13到2.76遠低於民間的借貸他們拿著低利的去放高利民法的利率是16%所以今天團員講得很清楚我們的公股銀行顯然管理不善第二個我們20年來沒有檢視所謂的融資租賃買賣的定型化契約讓他們用假買賣徵融資 |
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來搪塞 來隱瞞他們實際上是高額利率的狀況這些東西都是監察院的報告 院長我現在只想問立法院已經 我有個版本 王世堅我也有個版本我們一直在等行政院的版本我剛剛一直問院長 院長你提過多少民生法案的行政院版本這個法案要不要提版本 |
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我們現在有四個階段循序漸進要把它納管我理解這個今晚會主委都講過了我現在只問院長監察院說他的例子很清楚促行政院評估訂定融資租賃專法你有階段金保法沒問題這個現在就要做因為修法但是我要的是行政院有沒有融資租賃專法的未來跟版本在金保法的這個概念底下請 |
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所以院長我要主委講的我都知道了我現在問的是如果院長這是我剛剛講卓內閣的民生法案他應該是你未來執政的重要的方向如果監察院也說不是只有立法院說 |
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經管會只能做他自己做的事經管會只能納管那些大型的或上市的他現在納管了12家納入金保法但是沒有辦法控制監察院所糾正的這些中小型的業者院長我只要你一句話你有沒有要推動融資租賃專法的想法將來是這個方向在進行是這個方向所以主委也是嗎 |
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我已經很努力了他做了非常多的事情我想說其實我們剛剛就是公告的那個金寶法其實這是以法律位階來納管是 可是你現在是用行政命令公告我想融資公司的問題在過去已經將近三十年的討論確實他的複雜度確實不是一個專法我只希望在今年年底前行政院有自己的立場自己的版本我們的版本你們可以拿去修正金管會他沒有辦法做主因為他沒有辦法去拉 |
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經濟部啊 他叫經濟部管什麼 他自己管什麼院長 這需要院長的才識啊我們先把他納管也就是經管會沒有辦法立法去管別的部會啦用金保法的概念來管理如果真的不行 我們將來會經濟部來營救所以院長 今天我問的問題就是我希望行政院應該是協助經管會來統籌全中華民國應該怎麼管理因為有幾十萬家公司都在做融資的話他管不了 好嗎 |
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我們會積極管理好 這是第一個這是我認為民生法案很重要的一件事很多的人民都碰到一樣的問題第二個法案我們在立法院也做過相關的討論而且這是去年的照片我們三黨全部都出席了有關女性的生理用品免稅案 |
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雖然現在我們大概學校都已經提供了免費的生理用品可是這是一個性別平權跟月經貧窮的國際性的議題院長 |
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女性比男性一定會一生多付出生理用品的費用將近大概是十萬塊台幣這是不可避免這是天生的所以這個性別平權在全世界各個先進國家大部分都納入了他們所謂的免稅甚至紐西蘭是全國免 |
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全國的學生由政府提供我們只是希望現在暫時用一個生理用品免營業稅的案子在立法院已經討論很多次了但是財政部這邊因為稅損因為什麼我要講的是大宗物資玉米小麥大豆現在都免營業稅 |
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我只問院長的態度對性別平權你支持不支持行政院絕對支持性平這個議題但是就這個議題來看生理用品的免營業稅是不是能夠真正的直接回到沒有關係也有希望院長就是提出你們的版本你們可以提出你們的版本院長這也是我希望今天你有個具體的回答 |
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這個生理用品不複雜我也想不出他有什麼政治衝突直接用免稅是不是可以真的回到父女同胞的身上去各種方案我都接受但是要有行政院的立場好嗎接下去就是院長在上一次部長也在這3月12號的時候 |
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院長說才化法復原不通過你要提新版本3月12號在這個場合我問您的時候你手上拿著說我手上就是新版本我就是行政院的版本到今天4月22號我看到院長說我們要提事先案院長你的新版本從來沒有見過光現在有時間寫事先理由沒有時間來跟立法院溝通你的新版本嗎 |
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我們的方案原來是在草野協商現在也是一個可以協商的時候啊沒有辦法協商就直接表決所以那個復案一直沒有方案拿出來所以上次復議案的時候我說你拿新版本因為立法院很特別我們上次通過的財化法是國民黨版送出來的 |
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我的民眾老闆現在還在委員會如果你們也提新版本大家還有機會再討論你們要不要提出來到現在你上次拿的新版本沒有見過光希望復印案回來重新有一個審視的機會我們就把版本拿出來所以現在你們再修法也不考慮就對了 |
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你們也不打算再提一個版本來跟立法院溝通了除非我們提一個修法但是現在我們要提一個修法你們寧可不提修法也要去釋憲讓釋憲到現在為止沒有任何的進展然後現在也沒有辦法做你的緊急處分那你到底要怎樣咧院長你到底要不要解決問題嘛我剛剛講了我們的版本還在委員會喔還有一些版本在委員會喔 |
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那已經通過了一個版本通過了一個版本還有一些版本你可以修啊你不是可以有不同的意見嗎院長你有時間寫視線理由沒有時間來跟立法院溝通修法我覺得很奇怪啦接下去比較嚴重的是這個問題接下去115年預算要編了你看看這個時間表我們去年4月19號到現在是整整財政委會八次的會議討論財化法到今天 |
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告訴我你們沒版本然後說我們要去釋憲院長真的有時間就好好來跟我們討論第二個接下去我要擔心的是115年的預算就像我上次在這邊問你的編了沒怎麼編要不要依新法編還是財政部回答為給我的是說他們不知道怎麼編 |
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委員確實是因為新法因為有自愛難行所以才提複議但是複議沒有通過以憲政的救濟他就可以提四憲因為事實上跟委員報告我們也提到第一個分配公司本本沒有辦法具體法院長落實政府要不要依法行政要還是不要 |
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這個法還沒有被推翻被釋憲之前要不要執行要還是不要所以你要不要按照司法執行是 我再說一次民眾黨的版本是有給時間的但是民進黨團沒有投給我們 |
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我再講一次 民眾黨團盤本是有時間的你們沒有投給我們 才會造成今天這樣的困境接下來就是 我現在要關心的是如果地方政府沒辦法編 怎麼辦主席總 主席總 主席長 你要怎麼辦大家要怎麼編 還是等到你們事先完再來追加減原則上我們會照著新的來編 |
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未招新的來編這是院長這就是依法行政好嗎接下去我們要講的是有可能財化法不確定各個地方政府的財稅都可能會有碰到很多衝擊要跟院長說美國說我們有很多關稅壁壘我們現在的關稅壁壘很多甚至包括地方政府的稅 |
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第一個我們有一個三百萬以上的奢侈稅有可能被美國拿來做車輛的關稅壁壘第二個是我們地方還有一個娛樂稅娛樂稅裡面很有趣喔外國的電影要課比較高的娛樂稅本國電影不用這可能也是關稅壁壘所以院長關稅是現在重中之重你要盡量的讓我們地方跟中央的稅務不會不至於造成任何的困難可以嗎 |
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917.881 |
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922.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
院長 關稅很重要比大罷免重要一萬倍 拜託你了 謝謝 |