| IVOD_ID |
160720 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/160720 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-29T09:16:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-29T09:33:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5e3950a5df8d034bfca2a55c0a076bdc066821ab1e45083e34676d0c2ef6928b13c5f764d90b48005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:58 - 09:33:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第9次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、4月25日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、4月29日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席各位列席官員大家早 主席有請行政院左院長麻煩再請左院長備詢院長早院長台中電廠4月15日驚傳施工人員死亡的公安例外 |
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4月13日晚間也發生公安意外一名工人量測粉煤機的時候不慎遭高壓電電擊上個月3月7號上午台中火力發電廠施工處工地室外模板起火燃燒串出了大量的熔煙造成整個龍井地區的民眾都非常緊張本席要請問院長 |
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知不知道這三年台中電廠發生了多少次的火災這個事故抱歉三年的數字我不知道但是最近以來每次有發生類似的事情一部台電以及內政部消防署都會向我回報我告訴院長六次近三年發生了六次那今年三次所以加總起來總共九次 |
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那短短三年就發生了六次有通報的火警意外而且是有通報的火警事故不包含未通報的或者其他的公安意外那未來台電還要繼續在台中港興建多座的天然氣儲氣槽院長你要知道這個儲氣槽蓋在這邊連一次意外都不能發生如果說發生這些公安意外我們是無法承受 |
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那台中市民也不能夠安心我再次的聲明一路以來我都支持用燃氣來換燃煤台中市的市民絕大多數也都支持用燃氣換燃煤為了要降低燃煤的污染但現在台中港區既有的儲氣槽已經有六座加上明年要完工的兩座就八座那這裡面還不包含中油未來計畫在外港區擴建四座 |
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還有我們台電五街要興建五座總共17座萬一如果一來發生什麼公安意外造成的連鎖效應這個不堪想像那我們知道天然氣全部仰賴進口可能會受到國際情勢天氣氣候海運狀況影響而且通通集中在台中港 |
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對於整個台中市的居民港區的人民壓力非常的大我想要請教院長未來中火儲氣槽的部件計畫如何是不是依舊照舊這樣子要先見實際做委員你也清楚台中火力發電廠曾經是全球最大的一個火力發電廠 |
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那它現在經過我們以氣換煤在未來的幾年內它會持續地用一個燃氣機組換兩個燃煤機組一直持續地換下去一直到2030年、2032年的時候我認為它的燃煤機組就不會再使用頂多是做備用所謂備用就是每年所用的時數是受到限制的 |
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那麼他會用他的燃氣機組來降低整個燃煤量降低整個空污的這個這個我知道所以說我們只使用燃氣換燃煤沒有錯但是現在我提到了現有的8座再加上增建的總共17座全部集中在台中港區未來如果發生什麼意外天災地變或者是人為的破壞這個很難想像啦所以說過去 |
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台中市為了要發電要供電全國空氣是最糟的全國最糟的那未來現在未來有可能變成是最危險的所以這是我們整個台中市民中部地區民眾心中最大的隱憂所以我希望說院長 |
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一定要做全面的檢討你不能把所有雞蛋放在同一個籃子你應該要怎樣把它分散風險這部分院長可不可以做一個承諾中部地區隨著科學元氣增加以及現在我們把它設定為精密製造的新核心未來它的用電量 |
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已經需要大量的增加那麼現在所有的配置就是在滿足現在中部地區的而且中部地區現在用電量已經是在自給自足的情況下這個我知道嘛因為經濟發展沒有錯但是你把所有的風險都集中在一個位置 |
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那這樣子讓整個台中市的市民去承擔這麼大的風險不管未來怎麼樣安全的評估永遠是第一發電重要但是台中市的居民民眾的安全更重要我希望說院長部長 |
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雖然是沒有經濟考量 但是要做全面的檢討還是安全優先 拜託 這是第一個我們不是只有經濟的考量當然所有的一方面是最經濟 身分最多但是安全的部分 我相信這部分你關心的 我也很關心但是關心你要表現出來 要體現出來 |
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所以我們的這個標準不是台灣自己設的標準今天是世界標準最基本的嘛不是不是 |
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以後我想我們還有很長的時間可以討論啦但是我這邊要再為我們台中市民發聲啦還為獲其利先受其害啦這部分是整個台中港區整個台中市民最大的隱憂啦過去空氣最糟 空氣最壞在台中未來最危險在台中怎麼每天都有台中 對不對 |
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我最擔心的不一定是台中的公安的要求是高標準的符合國際的標準院長接下來我要請教這個自來水相關的問題這個2015年可能會缺水因為降雨量大幅的減少各地水庫蓄水不足會引發缺水危機以2021年大旱為例因為當年少有颱風來襲所以中南部多做水庫干涸 |
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406.449 |
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台中苗栗我們那時候出現了供五停二一個禮拜供水五天然後停水兩天這顯示出台灣的水資源調度能力極為不足最近自來水公司在許多南北水源調度送水管抗汗水井設置的問題包括在本人的選區還有我們霧峰苗水團人工湖也都是為了因應抗汗而生但是在過程當中因為跟地方缺乏溝通所以也造成了很多問題 |
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那送水管的部分要請水利署多多協助因為很多部分送水管必須要經過水利署所轄的河川流域都是經濟部所屬的事業跟機關 |
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420.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
443.346 |
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本期選區烏日最近也在協助經濟部橫向溝通的問題我也很樂意協助但是經濟部所屬的各單位應該要再多多加強所以要請部長多幫忙啦那另外請院長看一下這個自來水公司提供的全台各縣市的漏水表那台灣平均是將近12%那自來水 |
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444.544 |
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451.43 |
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希望就是說我們浙水公司的這個降低漏水率計畫在今年將重新起 |
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475.987 |
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重啟啦我的選區還有許多是早年埋設的PVC管很多管線使用的年限都比我還要年紀比我還大啦那不堪長期的重壓有嚴重的漏水問題本期的選區有七項的胎患管線工程除了要求目前施工中的要如期如質完工還要這個上位發包的部分也要加緊時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
477.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
491.218 |
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管太陽工程是延續性的因為礙於經費必須要按照年度編列來施作所以能不能請經濟部優先處理這個管線年限高PVC材質漏水率高的地區 部長 |
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是 報告委員我想行政院已經合定辦理這個降漏的計畫那我們依這個計畫分年逐步的來汰換那在這個烏日的這個地區我們投入9100萬元那汰換管線長度是6.4公里那我們會滾動的檢討這一些作為持續的以大數據分析漏水熱區 然後汰換管線服務其他降漏的措施來穩定當地的供水好 謝謝部長 |
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522.581 |
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550.395 |
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本期選區霧峰普及率是六都最低六都最低霧峰的普及率只有81.68%六都的平均值是95%全國的平均值是90%但是霧峰只有81.68%我們霧峰本身就有一個鳥嘴潭人工湖 |
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551.435 |
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578.894 |
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鳥水達人工湖在今年1月已經完工目前正在辦理工程驗收但是供水是供給其他縣市包括彰化南投跟雲林我是希望說行政院跟經濟部因為要多多重視霧峰既然重大工程在霧峰有關於自來水普及的部分能不能幫忙霧峰再加強最起碼要追上全國的平均值90%部長 院長可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
579.875 |
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596.133 |
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報告委員我想在這個大都乎峰地區的自來水管的普及率跟您報告106年到113年我們辦理的情形在核定台中有10.2億受益戶大概1.3萬戶那其中大都是這個0.05億受益戶26戶 |
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601.598 |
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自然水 水電都是國人的基本權利 |
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647.058 |
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那因為智慧水普及率的算法是供水人口跟供水區域的總人口去做比例那無法提升的原因有很多那其中一項就是建築法第73條第一項按書的規定就是針對未領得使用執照之建物不得接用水電者 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
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670.927 |
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那雖然有顧犯事項例外狀況這個部分我如表有事項例外但是因為實務上各縣市政府會訂定相關規定所以導致導致全國適用的標準不一那我認為說水電公共事業影響的是民眾最基本的權利不應該因為民眾所處的區域不同而有所差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
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而且我們常常接到類似的陳情當事人的狀況經濟狀況並不好有些只能暫居在主厝或者是簡陋的鐵皮屋他這樣的房屋沒有辦法取得使用執照 |
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706.996 |
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我也知道說建築法是內政部的業務範圍但是這個部分我是想說因為跟我們經濟部所屬在水公司相關那能不能說請院長然後部長跟內政部的部長來做演繹一起提出修法全面性的照顧這些我們的經濟弱勢的用戶 |
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709.082 |
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723.291 |
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我們有積極的宣導跟補助地方政府來辦理減水系統改善這個不是說只有中央政府跟地方政府彼此之間都要透過協商來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
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752.598 |
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我們在第五期的計畫裡面也編了106億元所以並不是說我們不去做這些事情我想這個部分剛才委員所指的對 我剛剛提到建築法其實三條第一項這個規範就會把我們這些相對弱勢的就把它排除掉了所以我們既然要照顧弱勢而且用水用電是基本民生應該一視同仁不能夠說這個對等的一個差異化 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
756.257 |
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780.016 |
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也不能因為所處的位置環境所以它的這個就有相對的一個差異對待所以說才請我們經濟部跟內政部由院長這邊拜託院長來請他們來做一個協商協調研議好不好我們八年的降漏計畫要一致性好不好全國都能夠一致性一體的在汰換各種水管工程 |
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808.683 |
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但是地方如果有需求 這個不是水管工程這個是普及力的問題好不好地方有需求也要提出來我們才能去做一定有需求嘛我剛剛提到就是說這些相對弱勢的地方要提出來啊那經濟弱勢的部分他提出來他提出來提不到你這邊啊他就被建制法被給限制住了嘛所以我們在這邊在國會提出建議提出要求說希望由院長這邊來請部長我們經濟部跟我們內政部來做研議好不好 |
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809.403 |
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836.081 |
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好不好 院長好那再來我接著行政院上週是通過了特別條例草案預計編列4100億就是因為美國關稅增加造成產業的波及但是這4100億當中跟產業相關的目前看到的只有930億四分之一都不到所以這個也很不尊重產業行政院當然有權利提出相關的案子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
857.098 |
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想要多做事當然可以提出來做但是舊產業的錢舊產業的錢在總包裡面連四分之一都不到所以舊產業錢不應該跟國家長遠發展混為一談那我們是希望說這個既然要做事要舊產業我們就要真的傾聽我們接下來未來我們的國內的製造業會 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
863.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
884.291 |
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面臨巨大的影響昨天全國工種包括我們的這些產業界所有的人都發聲就是說智商業面臨到的危險接下來主要他們為了要降低成本就一定會減少人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
884.741 |
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895.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
那無薪假還有這個裁員這一部分都是即將面對的我想請教院長有沒有評估國內有多少人會受到這個波及我們對關稅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
898.127 |
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922.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
這個貿易秩序調整的時候我們對每個不同關稅都有做過一些推算跟評估那現在因為談判還在繼續當中還有七十二天啦談判還有七十二天啦我們會爭取最快的時間但我要為產業界請命台電一千億的挹注對產業界來講是非常的需要他們認為這樣可以穩定電價穩定物價對產業是有直接的幫助我想要請問院長我們這一次是不是太 |
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932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
948.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
他這次的計算只有一個公司 一個標準 一個節省所以算不準都不一樣我們現在實力申請我們不能太自信 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
958.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
960.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 謝謝嚴幹衡委員資訊 謝謝卓院長經濟部備詢 謝謝接下來我們請李彥秀委員資訊 |